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I Need A ID On This Very Old Unique Silver Coin Pls

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 Posted 12/30/2013  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add My Silver Destiny to your friends list
okay will do, thank you everyone for your help
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 Posted 12/30/2013  12:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list

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The porous spots on the edge of each one is what I am worried about


This, and the dead giveaway is the extra material rising up around the rims on one side of each coin. 100% cast in a mold.
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 Posted 12/30/2013  03:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list

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This, and the dead giveaway is the extra material rising up around the rims on one side of each coin. 100% cast in a mold.


That's how the blanks were made at this time - rather poorly refined silver too - so issues about porosity and rim ridges don't really take us any closer to determining if the coin is real or not.

There is nothing that jumps out at me to say it's not real - from the picture. Many coins of this type from this era exibit similar characteristics. But I do agree that it needs to be viewed in -hand to make the call.
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 Posted 12/30/2013  03:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list

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The porous spots on the edge of each one is what I am worried about



This, and the dead giveaway is the extra material rising up around the rims on one side of each coin. 100% cast in a mold.

Um, did either of you guys actually look closely at the genuine coins in the links which allranger posted? They both show these exact same features: porosity, and the squeezed-out rim. Those are side-effects of how these coins are made, not signs of counterfeiting.

First off, here's exactly what you've got: they both appear to be 5 kurush coins - in which case, they should be about 41mm across. The 2½ kurush coin has almost exactly the same design, but the rims aren't quite as wide and the coin is only 35mm across. The top one in both sets of pictures (the one with the large triangular piece missing out of it) is dated accession 1223, regnal year 8; the bottom one is dated 1223 regnal 5. This is written 1223//8 and 1223//5 in the catalogues. These dates convert to AD 1815 and 1812. Here is the Krause catalogue data, as transcribed into the NGC database. As you can see, the Year 8 coin is slightly more valuable, though yours will not be because of the missing piece. The 2½ kurush coin is scarcer and more valuable.

Finally, the question of authenticity. They appear to be real to me, though as others have said, they can make fakes of anything in the Middle East. Since 1983, the law in Turkey has stated that anything older than 1923 is considered an antiquity, and cannot be bought, sold or exported without a license. On the other hand, making selling and exporting fake antiquities is perfectly legal. Your "coin dealer", if he was selling genuine coins to tourists and operating legally, should have given you a piece of paper explaining to both you and the Turkish Customs agents that these coins (a) are genuine antiquities and (b) are permitted to leave the country. If that didn't happen, then your coins either (a) are fake, or (b) were illegally smuggled out of Turkey.
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 Posted 12/30/2013  05:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list
Hmm... they have some of the characteristics of hammered (ie hand struck) coins, but these aren't coins I know. Looks like they have been cleaned which doesn't help.

There are dealers that specialise in Islamic coins. I doubt anyone will give a definitive answer on the basis of a photograph, but if these are from a series of known copies they might confirm that much. Maybe try a search?

Alternatively, I've never dealt with this guy but found his site a while back. Maybe see if he'll give an opinion? http://www.wilkescoins.com/
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 Posted 12/30/2013  05:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list
Interesting stuff bacchus and sap, thanks for clearing that up.
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 Posted 12/30/2013  1:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add My Silver Destiny to your friends list
I was 14 years old at the moment when a purchased those coins on my vacation in Turkey
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 Posted 12/30/2013  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add My Silver Destiny to your friends list
the thing that gets me is that, why would they make a copy for touris that is made out of silver?
The Greek coins copy that I bought when I was a kid in the tourist place( Rhodos,Castle) were made out of steel.,is it worth for them to make them out of silver?
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 Posted 12/30/2013  2:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nalaberong to your friends list
Yes, if it means they can sell them better. "Of course it's real - it's silver!"

Nice souvenir: I'd like to visit Turkey one day, although now I doubt I'll buy any Ottoman coins while I'm there...
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 Posted 01/03/2014  08:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add My Silver Destiny to your friends list
I found them on ebay for around $250 and they claim thaf they are rare!
What is a best place to sell a coin like this?
I will sell it and buy bullion round with that money
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 Posted 01/03/2014  09:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add My Silver Destiny to your friends list
I found them on ebay for around $250 and they claim thaf they are rare!
What is a best place to sell a coin like this?
I will sell it and buy bullion round with that money
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 Posted 01/03/2014  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nalaberong to your friends list
I wouldn't sell it!

This coin's value comes from its scarcity and desirability, so even if silver drops its price will not be too affected. Meanwhile, silver hasn't been doing much of anything lately and I wouldn't expect bullion rounds to appreciate much. If you are looking to preserve your wealth, just hang onto this one...
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 Posted 01/03/2014  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add allranger to your friends list
My Silver, I have to ask, why do you repost the exact same posts? I'm not talking about the double post, but the double post is a copy of a post from several days ago. I've noticed you have done the same thing in other posts too. It makes people suspicious you are a bot. (Or at least makes me wonder).
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 Posted 01/03/2014  10:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add My Silver Destiny to your friends list
I believe I only repost this topic twice, and the reason for that is because when I delete the photos from Photobucket , it also deleted the photos on the thread.
when I try to fix it, it did not let me, so I deleted my previous thread and made a new one.
And no I am NOT a bot :) I am a human in Flash with feelings, and you broke my feelings lol
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 Posted 01/03/2014  10:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add allranger to your friends list
Okay, that makes sense.
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