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 Posted 01/29/2014  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list
Yes, it is a tough one, and I'm not great at grading subtle differences between wear and strike. The (very) few bag marks are only obvious under magnification. The rim is sharp as a razor. I have trouble understanding how it could be "circulated" and only get this kind of wear without cuts or scratches. It's been in my collection since 1971, and my grandfather had it (raw) before that. Yet the reverse looks flat, and the vertical beads in the crown are not distinct, leading one to think circulated.

There are few graded examples on ebay right now, but this one has similar characteristics and supposedly ICCS MS64. I might post the images for comparison later.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canada-50-C...em27de0209e1

Thanks for input!
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 Posted 01/29/2014  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chequer to your friends list
At first glance I hedged around a nice AU, but I'm not seeing any wear - MS63 here too.
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 Posted 01/29/2014  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Check thedollarman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add thedollarman to your friends list
That ms-64 is a pretty weak strike and would not command the regular price of another stronger strike of that grade. Your coin is not as weak and would be market acceptable as a standard coin since the canadian halves of this design are notorious for weakness in these areas, you should defineately send it to ICCS and NOT PCGS since pcgs will nock the grade down for the weak strike. I think it should go to ICCS, it should definitely get an UNC grade.
Nice coin
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 Posted 01/29/2014  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
I had an ICCS graded MS-63 of these that looked pretty similar--softness in the shield is pretty common.
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 Posted 01/29/2014  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list
Here's another similar strike, ICCS MS65. Clearly they want "regular price" as well.
http://www.cdncoin.com/product-p/3219765lw776.htm

Interesting how much you have to know to give a proper grade. Edit - what's up with this "narrow date" variety? I've seen it twice today and never heard of it before.
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01/29/2014 10:31 pm
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 Posted 01/30/2014  05:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list
Wow, nice..looks MS-62/3 to me, nice detail on the King's hair..

Just like my AVATAR.
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 Posted 01/30/2014  05:44 am  Show Profile   Check thedollarman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add thedollarman to your friends list
Judging by the exact same strong weaknesses I would say yours is also a narrow date aswell, also the MS-65 you posted is market acceptable as far as weakness goes.
I still think you should send it to ICCS who knows, maybe you're just bad at pics and the coin is MS-64:-)
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 Posted 01/30/2014  07:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list
MS-63.
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 Posted 01/30/2014  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carly1 to your friends list
Very nice MS-63
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 Posted 01/30/2014  1:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list
I'll bore you with a few more pie plates. I tend to obsess over a certain coin for a while; it's some kind of disease. I looked at all the Heritage examples and so maybe 63, possibly 64 with the right combination of grader, coffee, and day. Heritage has an example that describes "light gray patina", similar to mine I think.

I'm still curious what the exact definition of "narrow date" is for the 1948 50 cent; I cannot detect a difference among numerous images.

This is the best lighting/angle I could get on the obverse to show hair detail, given my equipment and (lack of) skills. Unfortunately it exaggerates nicks on the nose and chin.
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 Posted 01/30/2014  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list
Yours actually looks like a 'wide' date to me.
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 Posted 01/30/2014  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add artdio to your friends list
There is some wear on the rev and also obv in the hair and cheek... My guess is AU
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 Posted 01/30/2014  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wireman09 to your friends list
Very nice Weakness in shield is typical for the year. Strong lustre, IMO at least MS62 and maybe a 63. Thanks for sharing.
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 Posted 01/30/2014  11:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EastVanRob to your friends list
Looks like the narrow date low 4 variety, like this:
1948-50-Cents

In the wide date high 4, the 4 will touch the line I drew.
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 Posted 01/31/2014  10:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list
Thanks EastVanRob. I'm having trouble finding an example of the "wide date high 4", looking at everything at Heritage (http://coins.ha.com/c/search-result...48+50+cent). It would be nice to see them side by side.

Having browsed most of the HA examples, it's interesting that even many specimen strikes have the "worn" shield. This one for example http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...&lotNo=23447
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