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1998 Lincoln Reverse

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 Posted 03/15/2014  11:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
I do have a nickel brockaged by a thin, curved, struck fragment, so it stands to reason that a counterclash could also occur.

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03/15/2014 11:30 am
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 Posted 03/15/2014  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pyrbob to your friends list
I didn't realize that. It was brought up as a possibility in a previous thread but the coin was finally determined to be PMD so the collar counter clash theory was never discussed any farther. The possible steps for this to happen would be:

1. A badly misaligned hammer die clashes with the collar damaging both dies leaving the clash of the letters on the top of the collar.

2. The hammer die is removed and replaced with an undamaged die.

3. The new hammer die becomes misaligned again this time causing a collar counter clash on the new hammer die.

4. The alignment is corrected and the coins now struck have the collar counter clash.

While involved and unlikely is this a possible error?

The only problem I have with using this theory on the above cent is the crescent area would not be recessed.
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 Posted 03/15/2014  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
A collar counterclash is unlikely, as the collar is much harder than the die and would probably not pick up any design in the case of a clash. While the sequence of events you laid out is a possibility, I have not encountered any errors that would be consistent with this explanation.
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 Posted 03/15/2014  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pyrbob to your friends list
That makes sense Mike. Thanks. I'll await your assessment.
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 Posted 03/15/2014  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
Interesting
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 Posted 03/17/2014  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
I have the coin and it's not a counterbrockage. The extra letters are die-struck. They sit atop a thin crescent that lies above the level of the field but below the level of the design rim. This is a die attrition error in combination with a form of Machine Doubling that is most closely related to rim-restricted design duplication. It's not classic RRDD because the extra letters are not on the rim; instead they occupy the relatively elevated crescent of metal generated by the die attrition error.

I am assuming that this coin was struck with inverted dies (reverse die as hammer die). This pattern of die installation was less common in 1998 than the conventional die setup (obverse die as hammer die) but by the same token it wasn't particularly rare. During a period when the hammer die was misaligned toward the south, the edge of the field portion of the die was worn away by repeated collisions with the beveled entrace of the collar. When the die returned to center, the coins it struck were left with a raised featureless crescent where coin metal flowed into the gap created by the missing portion of the die face. The hammer die was still unstable. When this particular coin was struck, the hammer die bounced up shifted to south, and landed lightly on the featureless crescent, generating a second partial set of letters.
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 Posted 03/17/2014  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rackster to your friends list
Interesting explanation.
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 Posted 03/17/2014  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
Wow...I have to read Mike's explanation a few times to let it sink in.
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 Posted 03/17/2014  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jay4202472000 to your friends list
Very interesting. Thanks for explaining this Mike. Oh, and thanks to the OP for posting this coin. I love new stuff!
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 Posted 03/18/2014  01:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add j-win to your friends list
I can't believe I understood that whole thing completely, but I do. Thanks Mike! And cool coin Still Lookin.
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 Posted 03/18/2014  04:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pyrbob to your friends list
Interesting and great explanation. Thanks Mike.
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 Posted 03/19/2014  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
This specimen raised the possibility of finding extra raised letters on the tops of Cuds, interior die breaks, split dies, and any other abnormal elevation generated by a broken or damaged die. All you need after the initial strike is a high bounce, a lateral shift, and a light touch-down. So keep your eyes open!
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 Posted 03/19/2014  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add still lookin to your friends list
Thanks Mr. Diamond for your expert review, diagnosis and understandable explanation of this coin. This forum is greatly enhanced by your expert guidance.

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 Posted 03/30/2014  10:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
The article will appear tomorrow in the online edition of Coin World. They've already placed a version in the public domain, sans photos:

http://www.coinworld.com/insights/d...tters.1.html
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 Posted 03/30/2014  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Thanks Mike.
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