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1939 DDR Or ?

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 Posted 03/29/2014  08:45 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ghostrivertrading to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Good Morning All, I know you told me that the dots in E PLURIBUS UNUM tell the story about DDR but please tell me about this 1939 penny. I can kind of tell one dot may be off but I think the pictures are clear on the double or overlap. Especially on the end of the wheat. Your opinion is valued and my education from you is greatly improving. IS this a DDR?
Thanks, Deborah
PS - Thanks for the lighting tip in one of the posts Coop.

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 Posted 03/29/2014  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collector-Corner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For me, its extremely hard to see. I don't remember exactly what Coop said about the dots, maybe something about them being egg shaped is a good indication that something more can be going on with the coin.

For Doubled dies, typically the device (letters , numbers, features) show some sort of extra thickness, slight addition to the devices or pronounced doubling. I will be right up front about coppercoins, this is my professional opinion - which does not reflect the opinions of this website nor of the members here - Is that sometimes the exmaples and submissions at coppercoins, can be very minor.

http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=lds

Please take a look at this listing, and see if it looks close. Coppercoins and John Wexlers DDO site may be able to assist. Something came up, and I have to run. Keep that those good eyes searching.
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 Posted 03/29/2014  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The dots should be more egg shaped and the devices need to be thicker. On hub doubling the amount of spread will vary. On this image you will see a side by side of hub doubling and your coin. You will see what new information you need to feed your eyes with.
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Something I just noticed today on my images of the 38S is that the devices on hub doubling can show curves instead of the block shape of most of the devices. Note the "L" on PLURIBUS. See how instead of a sharp corner, it turns with the hub doubling. Of course if will not the be same from coin to coin, but I always look first for the "dots", then the "L" and the "E" on the motto. I've found some doubled dies that the hub doubling only shows on the left side of the coin. There are minor doubled die that will never be listed, but the mid/large spread should be. On the one I posted I would call that a mid spread. On a 1943 I posted the other day, I consider that a large spread. If you would like to see these images, I'd be glad to post them again. But sorry to say Deb, you coin looks normal. But now that I see that you eye detected this coin, when there is a doubled die, it will jump out at you. Many times we look too hard for a variety. But when we notice something minor, then we know our eye is starting to nice the difference. So if a variety comes under your glass, you will know it. Keep looking..
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 Posted 03/29/2014  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ghostrivertrading to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again but I am having a hard time with terminology I guess. It may not be double but what else do you call this? Please look at the wheat and tell me how this is described.


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Be patient, I will get there!
Thanks Again!
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I had to blow it up to 300% to see, what I think, looks like its almost an incorrect cut on the top of the leaf, with maybe two dots there ?
I don't know if that's an area of Machine Doubling on the tip of the wheat stalk, and possibly to small dots - which could be die chips - small little piles of copper on the edge?

It looks like the top of the stalk / leaf whatever its called is not filled in all the way. Coop should be able to explain why.
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 Posted 03/29/2014  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ghostrivertrading to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do you guys ever sleep? Holy Cow! I'm going to look at the other web sites you spoke of and see if I can do some more research to understand terms. You must get sick of repeating yourselves all the time. Thanks though!
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 Posted 03/29/2014  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collector-Corner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll be doing a site committed to coins, and how to know the common differences. Its a work in progress, and people can go there and look at standing images and definitions. It will be in my signature when its all said and done. Yep, I do sleep, but this is part of a home business and I enjoy what I do. I don't know if the Wheat Stalk suffers from Machine Doubling or not.....

Your welcome !
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 Posted 03/30/2014  09:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ghostrivertrading to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What does it mean if you see no visible dots at all?
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I can't really see what is going on with the end of the wheat lines. It maybe Machine Doubling like Gary mentioned, or it might be coin damage? I can't tell from the image provided. But the wheat lines look like they had a strike though error as they don't show full on the outside it. It might be a grease blockage in the die or even coin wear. But either way, it not a collectable. Sorry

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