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 Posted 05/07/2014  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Not on a coin but yes I have had it done to me. I bought an item for $40 and paid an extra $30 for shipping (heavy item) They boxed it, paid for delivery confirmation and dumped it in a mailbox. No or minimal postage. It arrived $20 postage due. I refused to pay the extra $20 and they shipped it back to the seller. (Naturally he refused to accept the return. He had already been paid plus the shipping he had pocketed. If he had accepted it he wouldhave had to pay the shipping charges.) I filed a complaint with ebay explaining what had happened, but since he had paid for delivery confirmation,and it showed that it had reached me they denied my claim. I was out the $60 and still had to go find the item elsewhere.
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 Posted 05/07/2014  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list
Media mail is an improper shipping service for a coin.

https://www.usps.com/ship/media-mail.htm links to http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/173.htm#1113509


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Only these items may be mailed at the Media Mail prices:

a. Books, including books issued to supplement other books, of at least eight printed pages, consisting wholly of reading matter or scholarly bibliography, or reading matter with incidental blank spaces for notations and containing no advertising matter other than incidental announcements of books. Advertising includes paid advertising and the publishers' own advertising in display, classified, or editorial style.

b. 16-millimeter or narrower width films, which must be positive prints in final form for viewing, and catalogs of such films of 24 pages or more (at least 22 of which are printed). Films and film catalogs sent to or from commercial theaters do not qualify for the Media Mail price.

c. Printed music, whether in bound or sheet form.

d. Printed objective test materials and their accessories used by or on behalf of educational institutions to test ability, aptitude, achievement, interests, and other mental and personal qualities with or without answers, test scores, or identifying information recorded thereon in writing or by mark.

e. Sound recordings, including incidental announcements of recordings and guides or scripts prepared solely for use with such recordings. Video recordings and player piano rolls are classified as sound recordings.

f. Playscripts and manuscripts for books, periodicals, and music.

g. Printed educational reference charts designed to instruct or train individuals for improving or developing their capabilities. Each chart must be a single printed sheet of information designed for educational reference. The information on the chart, which may be printed on one or both sides of the sheet, must be conveyed primarily by graphs, diagrams, tables, or other nonnarrative matter. An educational reference chart is normally but not necessarily devoted to one subject. A chart on which the information is conveyed primarily by textual matter in a narrative form does not qualify as a printed educational reference chart for mailing at the Media Mail prices even if it includes graphs, diagrams, or tables. Examples of qualifying charts include maps produced primarily for educational reference, tables of mathematical or scientific equations, noun declensions or verb conjugations used in the study of languages, periodic table of elements, botanical or zoological tables, and other tables used in the study of science.

h. Loose-leaf pages and their binders consisting of medical information for distribution to doctors, hospitals, medical schools, and medical students.

i. Computer-readable media containing prerecorded information and guides or scripts prepared solely for use with such media.


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 Posted 05/08/2014  12:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gyrene7483 to your friends list
Contact the Post Office and report him for sending the coin media mail. I'm pretty sure he will never do that again.
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 Posted 05/08/2014  10:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldSkoolMadSkilz to your friends list
Postage due should ave been for the difference between media mail and first class, not priority mail. Should have been like 50 cents.

BTW, where is this 5/8 min thickness requirement? I've gone over the USPS package requirements and don't see it anywhere.

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 Posted 05/08/2014  10:43 am  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list
For 4.95 you're paying for premium shipping. I would contact the seller and tell him about the 3.51 postage due and tell him he needs to take care of this and we're good and that if he doesn't then we're going to have a problem. I imagine he will refund you rather than take a negative.
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 Posted 05/08/2014  10:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cipster to your friends list

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where is this 5/8 min thickness requirement?


I usually ship coins via First-Class Mail Parcel $2.97 with tracking. The post office told me the package needs to be approx 3/4" thick and somewhat rigid to qualify. As mentioned some shippers use one or two styrofoam peanuts.
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 Posted 05/08/2014  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldSkoolMadSkilz to your friends list
I asked my postmaster about the 5/8 requirement. She told me it's actually 1/4 and it has nothing to do with priority mail. If any piece weighs less than 13 ounces and is greater than 1/4 inch, it must be labelled as first class package. If it is under 13 ounces and less than 1/4 inch it must also be larger than 3 1/2 by 5 inch and be flexible enough to bend 1 inch when placed on a table halfway along it's longest dimension. It then is considered first class mail, not package. Rates are the same. She said that some clerks incorrectly apply the rule to say that anything that isn't a package must go priority, but that is wrong. The requirement is really there for labeling purposes only. The package designation tells the person feeding the sorter to not put it in the sorter because it will get stuck. However, anything with a package label goes to a different line anyway because the placement and orientation of the address on a package label is incompatible with the mail sorter. The bar code on the label, however, can be read on the package sorter.

BTW, did you know that you are allowed to mail reptiles, but not mammals, also birds under 25 pounds?

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05/08/2014 12:25 pm
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 Posted 05/08/2014  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weerdsteev to your friends list
Hmmmm. Just curious...how did USPS know that there wasn't some sort of "media" in the package? Was the package big enough to potentially contain a CD?
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 Posted 05/08/2014  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list

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Postage due should ave been for the difference between media mail and first class, not priority mail.


Nope. If the package has DC on it and doesn't meet the thickness requirement for DC the only way it could be shipped is Priority.
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 Posted 05/08/2014  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldSkoolMadSkilz to your friends list
That's actually a misinterpretation of the rule. It's really that a thick or inflexible mail piece cannot be first class mail. It must be first class package. The rule is there to keep thick stuff out of the mail sorters, not to get customers to pay more for thin packages. Some postal clerks mistakenly assume that means that thin packages have to be priority but that is wrong. They can go as either first class letter or package depending on the orientation of the address to the long edge. I have our local postmaster's word on this.



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05/08/2014 3:15 pm
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 Posted 05/08/2014  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list
This may sound like a stupid question/statement, but can't you just not pay the charge. I really don't know, but how would the post office be able to force you to pay something that was shipped to you. This is not a COD situation. The package was already delivered. The post office has no way of enforcing. I can't imagine they'd use a collection agency, they would lose money for their efforts.
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 Posted 05/08/2014  5:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldSkoolMadSkilz to your friends list
You don't have to pay postage due, but you also won't get the package. They'll send it back. It's double the cost for them, but that's how they enforce it. What I don't get is that for something as light as a coin, media mail is actual more expensive than first class. Was this on line or ebay postage or metered at a post office counter?
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 Posted 05/08/2014  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list
@oldskoolmadskilz

The OP stated that the package was delivered with a bill. He certainly has the coin already and the language he used seamed to imply that he has not paid any money so far. I may have misunderstood, but I think that is what he said.
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 Posted 05/08/2014  8:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add grr601 to your friends list
To clarify some of the questions that have been asked, the dime came in a business letter flat envelope. It was preprinted and stated that it was postage paid by Pitney Bowes with the ebay logo above it. Below that it said USPS Media Mail. It also had a barcode that said USPS Signature tracking above it.

I have sent two messages to the seller and he has yet to respond. I am going to give him a couple more days, and if he hasn't responded by then I will leave negative feedback. I don't know if I have any other recourse.
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 Posted 05/08/2014  9:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldSkoolMadSkilz to your friends list
A regular envelope? First class should have been fine. Media mail actually costs more. Someone at your post office is going too far. I'd complain to the postmaster.

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