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Dave is that a Lee specimen?
I think I know the grade and it ain't anywhere near 62 :0
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No, I'm pretty sure it's one of the San Francisco MS69's.
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I was leaning toward 68+ or 69..wow! I'm trying to figure out what that is on her lower neck  swcoin.ecrater.com
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What causes the face to be silver but the rest to be blackish?
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PF65. If it's not a proof, then MS65DMPL, but I think I have it right with my first guess (obviously, I also don't think it's actually an O).
Colligo ergo sum
Edited by Lucky Cuss
12/13/2014 10:08 pm
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Shale,
The black I believe is shadowing of the cartwheel luster and what you are seeing here is a cameo affect caused during striking with newer life dies.
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There are New Orleans branch mint Proofs (one or two depending on who you believe) but 1881 wasn't one of those years.
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MS68dmpl. about the nicest I've seen, but then again, I'm new.
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I would say MS 68 or 69, but like vermontensium I'm worried about that thing on the lower neck...
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I would say MS 68 or 69, but like vermontensium I'm worried about that thing on the lower neck...
I'm thinking the law of averages says that's just a frost break. The rest of the coin is absolutely pristine - obviously it's been preserved carefully since mintage and one wouldn't expect such a coin to encounter a ding of that size. We're going to need the OP to reveal; this isn't an 1881-O as in the initial post. |
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Okay guys. It's actually a doctored coin picture of an MS69 PCGS 1881-S coin. Found on their photograde website. Knowing that, would you have given mine a 70? ![1881-O-Morgan-Dollar-[not-My-Coin]-[revealed]](http://www.pcgs.com/images/photograde/500/Morgan-69o.jpg) |
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I would not have given it a 70. The strike is incomplete over the ear and in the cotton bolls, and I suspect I'd find similar on the reverse. Chances are those two small marks in front of the nose are enough on their own to disqualify it.
70 is theoretical perfection. Not only must the surfaces be absolutely unmarred, the strike must be as complete as a flawless die is capable of striking. This one falls short of that strike quality, and I suspect it's the reason why PCGS only gave it a 69.
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I would not have given it a 70. The strike is incomplete over the ear and in the cotton bolls, and I suspect I'd find similar on the reverse. Chances are those two small marks in front of the nose are enough on their own to disqualify it.
70 is theoretical perfection. Not only must the surfaces be absolutely unmarred, the strike must be as complete as a flawless die is capable of striking. This one falls short of that strike quality, and I suspect it's the reason why PCGS only gave it a 69. ^^^ this. And my personal thoughts, on a circulation strike (IMHO) a 70 grade doesn't exist, there is no absolute, 100% "perfect". And on proofs it should be the standard, not something to pay a premium for.. Uugh... Can you tell my feelings on 70's? Lol. But on a side note, amazing coin, I knew it as soon as I saw it..... Though your description threw me off a bit, lol |
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Yup, I can still see the most subtle of flaws. A 70 would have to be absolutely pristine with not a whisper of a speck.
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