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DDO-Ddr-Rotated Die 1945-P Nickel

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 Posted 12/17/2014  01:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add photogame to your friends list
I do not know why I should be checking my other coins. Other than the fact that you have assumed, quite wrongly, that I have no idea what I am talking about. I will ask you, flip a U.S. coin, made in coin orientation, and the reverse design is now upside down, what do you call the degree rotation of that error? Don't belittle a discussion on a coin by telling me to pull out my pocket change, now if you would like to clarify a description or correct a definition, fine.
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 Posted 12/17/2014  02:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
Sorry but I see a counterfeit coin, the planchet is too small and two doubled dies of that strength on the same coin is completely implausible. Either side would by far represent the strongest known doubled die in the entire Jefferson nickel series but to have two of that magnitude on the same coin? That would only happen with someone attempting to manufacture spurious errors. A counterfeit quarter with two massive doubled dies was posted a few years ago, same as this one- simply too much to be believable https://goccf.com/t/89281
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 Posted 12/17/2014  08:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OcalaFlorida to your friends list
Very interesting piece there

is it silver? did you try a magnet? weight it?

place it next another for size color comparison?

It might be a counterfeit adjustment strike? (not necessarily Henning)

could be a oldschool counterfeit which are cool also...

very interesting either way...


EDIT: after reading Coops post on soft die, I looked up soft die counterfeits and I found this article that explains this coin perfectly.

http://numismaster.com/ta/numis/Art...ticleId=4938


After reading this It is most likely 99% a modern fake?

Similar to older fakes "errors" were produced by a group I dubbed the Southern California Underground Mint, or "SCUM" for short.

they used stuff like aluminum similar to the disc attached to a older post of yours.


did you find it in same place, collection as

https://goccf.com/t/126853

Edited by OcalaFlorida
12/17/2014 09:14 am
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 Posted 12/17/2014  09:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list
Everything about this coin (based on just images I must admit) scream fake to me. The color, the die rotation, the lack of rim, the pitting, the parallel machining marks, the doubling of everything, the lack of detail, the white oxidation spots. Without having it in hand I cannot get the full experience of this coin, but here is my guess....this is a home brew experiment just to see if they could do it. The white oxidating spots lend me to think that this coin is actually made from lead (the pitted voids lend to this as well). See if you can scratch it with a fingernail. If you can you will have your answer
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12/17/2014 09:33 am
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 Posted 12/17/2014  09:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list
Just thought I would upload a know lead object with some age for comparison (mind you this Gettysburg Civil War bullet has an extra 80 year of oxidation at least so the oxidation is more intense). I think the surfaces look remarkably similar in color, coverage, and appearance. Am eager to hear the results...


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 Posted 12/17/2014  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add photogame to your friends list
hi everyone,
thank you for the responses.
specs- my coin - 4.9 grams Red Book - 5 grams
my coin - 21.08 mm Red Book - 21.2 mm
included here are some more photos. sorry could not find my mirror. in paper flip with dot orientation to show rotated die error. circulated War Nickel next to mine for comparison. single photo of mine is stacked on War Nickel, same size. source of my nickel is entirely different than any other coin I own. the metal is not soft like lead, tried the finger nail test, nothing.

Counterfeit, very well could be. Would a TPGC even look at this?

thanks everyone

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 Posted 12/17/2014  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list
To me those white oxidation spots tell he tale more than anything else. The material the coin is made from, even if not lead, is not the same alloy as regular War Nickels....they just don't corrode that way.
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 Posted 12/17/2014  1:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list
Any just FYI...I would love nothing more than for this to be genuine! Don't take my skeptisism the wrong way! For me I assume all coins like this are fake until proven genuine....is the safest road to take to save yourself dissapointement and money.
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 Posted 12/17/2014  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dbrablec to your friends list
the commentary in this thread - is interesting to me. while I am NOT a trained/educated expert, I am an avid and interested reader/student/learner.

i tend to rely almost unwaveringly on the experts here. (and there are several - unreproachable experts).

your coin would fool me as to its authecenticiy, and your description seems convencing. I have read (although extremely rarely) one or more of the experts have been proved to be incorrect.

short of having this authenticated by experts "in hand" - I would have to presume that the experts - who are offering their opinions from photograps - are correct.

your coin is really - very interesting - to me.
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 Posted 12/18/2014  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rackster to your friends list
A Union bullet. Pretty neat. I'm curious to see how this develops further. My initial thought was how could the letters be doubled so distinctly but not the bust or Monticello. But I've seen plenty here that baffles the mind, mine anyway. Still, interesting coin and also with the ensuing discussions. Great opportunity to learn something new here and to catch a glimpse of a piece history - was the bullet dropped or was it fired?
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 Posted 12/18/2014  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list
dropped. A friend of mine was a tour guide at the battleground for years and gave it to me as a present (shhhhhh...don't tell anyone I have it...is technically illegal...LOL)
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 Posted 12/18/2014  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add photogame to your friends list
hi, I guess I will chalk it up to being a counterfeit soft die coin.
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 Posted 12/18/2014  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
I would still keep it as a counterfeit coin. Sometimes we need images of what to look for on counterfeit coins to identify them.
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 Posted 12/18/2014  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OcalaFlorida to your friends list
a small section of collectors also collect counterfeits so it still might have value to those who do

for example I collect henning nickels and Russian Mercury dimes

plus its a conversation piece
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12/18/2014 2:10 pm
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 Posted 12/18/2014  2:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rackster to your friends list
Your secret is safe - the Feds are more interested with counterfeit money than the origins of your bullet. Three ribs is the typical indicator for a Union bullet. Pretty cool specimen!
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