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going to say vf35 to xf40
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Yes your coppers are tops! I always have to look at any post with your signature on it :) EF 40 - close to 45 is my call.
I have a little trouble agreeing on the variety. Your coin is a large fraction (I think). That would put it closest to either a 258 but the die crack is not quite right, or a 261 but there is no crack on the 261. I know there are some very knowledgeable copper folks on this site - opinions please on the variety. ( For my education as well.)
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Thank you, guys. I am very pleased with this copper. Just could not pass it up, it has the appearance I like in early copper.
John, I may have got it wrong, but this sure looks like S-261. Specifically,
die state III with the arc-like die crack now fully developed.
Not all 261's have the crack, obviously, as can be seen from Heritage archives.
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No, that's the 261 crack, all right. And there's the diagnostic spur on Liberty's brow.
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Thanks for the 261 info ..... I have added it to my coin knowledge. Again - great coin.
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p.s. ... Ah yes, I now see - your original variation choice should have read 261, not 251 :)
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I'm right between VF35 and XF40. Love the color and breaks. Another fine specimen
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 Easily VF35 or maybe EF40 on a good day. By the way, good lookin' coin!  |
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Another nice coin!
Solid VF35. I like it :)
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Thank you for sharing Germanicvs! She's another beauty!  VF35. Edited by TJsCoins
01/16/2015 10:48 pm
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GERMANICVS you always have the coolest copper I'll up the ante on that statement and say that Germanics has the best raw late 18th/early 19th century coinage seen on this forum in one collection. Copper, silver and beautiful originals at that. It never ceases to impress me when you present a new coin and share with us sir. I love the attribution and diagnostic education as well on this series. Good to know. At R2, what kind of premium to the variety hound? |
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Hi dsfreeworld and thank you for your kind words.
To answer your question as to what premium if any do increasing 'R' ratings deserve among copper collectors - it varies from collector to collector and from variety to variety. BUT, it is generally acknowledged among copper collectors that only R4 and above merit significant premiums.
Of course, there are many exceptions to that - for example, S-264 is R4+ and yet it commands multiples of what S-261 at R4 brings.
Another one is S-48 (1794 with Starred Reverse) - it is 'only' R-5, yet even an ag3 specimen will cost a collector up to $10K.
There are more such examples.
Maybe other copper fans can add their own comments to these.
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Love it, not sure how I missed this one Germanicvs! I'd go VF30/35 on this one, and one heck of a cool die crack. Some verdi-care may be in order to lessen the light corrosion I see around the date and in the leaves on the wreath (just a thought). I also like it as Verdi-care provides some protection against moisture on the surfaces.
Question, do you brush your coppers? I haven't done so with any of mine yet, as none of them are in good enough shape to really benefit from a brushing but I plan to discuss this subject at the EAC grading seminar in a couple months.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Hi westcoin, good idea about the Verdi-care. I have some of that stuff and will give it a try. Interestingly, the areas of corrosion around the date only became visible when I tike a photo of the coin. On hand you cannot see them.
Regarding the brushing of coppers - I have often read about it, and actually bought a camels hair brush and some Coin-Care at Summer FUN a couple of years ago. But, I have never done it, and would be very curious to try. I have an S-82 which was lacquered when I bought it, and inexplicably decided to strip away the lacker a few years ago. I regret that because what lay beneath is not lifeless and dull looking. Everybody makes mistakes......would definitely like to brush and restore that otherwise scarce S-82 to restore some of the appeal.
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