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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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So to whom could I send this discovery coin for attribution? More importantly, would anybody attribute this coin with only two known examples? Of course my opinion is going to be heavily biased, simply because I possess one of the two known coins, but I'm thinking that there has to be some numismatic importance to this coin for all of the reasons you mentioned in great detail in your last post....It is a major error on a proof coin, that has tremendous eye appeal as well as the undeniable "wow factor"! (for lack of a better word).
I guess what I'm asking is,
Would this coin, if sent to the right person for attribution, generate enough buzz in the numismatic world to aid in locating any other examples of this coin that might have escaped the mint? And do you think, if the coin was attributed and more examples were found and also attributed, would it become more desirable to collectors?
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
616 Posts |
This thread died back in February and I never got a response to my last question. Can anyone recommend a error coin/variety specialist that I could send this proof nickel to for possible attribution? I would like to send it in to TPG for grading and encapsulation ASAP. Thanks!!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1781 Posts |
Send to Mike Ellis at CONECAonline.org
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
616 Posts |
Thanks Ken, I'll send Mike an email and see if he would be available to identify and attribute it for me!
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
616 Posts |
UPDATE! I finally got my proof nickel attributed, however, the results beg more questions than answers! The good news... It's a DDO / DDR, officially attributed as WDDR-004, paired with WDDO-004. The not so great news is... The extraordinary naked eye visible anomaly found inside the second U in UNUM on the reverse of this GEM Proof coin, is STILL unexplained and simply reduced to a "very unusual" die marker for this particular variety. It has to be the most profound die marker known for a variety in any denomination. (In my opinion, more so than the very widely spread RPM die marker on the 1960-D Small over Large date variety LMC - WDDO-001.) Is there any way to solve the mystery behind the origin of of this unique "die marker" that immediately grabs your eyes the moment you begin to examine the reverse of this GEM Proof Nickel? Below are the attribution listings and descriptions for the 1971-S WDDR-004 and WDDO-004.   What do you guys think? I would like to get as much input on this enigmatic proof nickel as I possibly can. So any and all input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Valued Member
United States
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Hello was reading through this, and it found it very interesting. Hoping you're still around. Is there any update?
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
616 Posts |
Yeah I'm still around, just been busy trying to practice medicine in a totally corrupt healthcare system during a "plandemic" is all.. Anyways, I now know of 12 examples of this proof variety coin but it appears that the experts in the field of error and variety coinage aren't impressed with this naked eye visible anomaly on an already dual variety proof coin.  But I figure one day when the right person finds one, it'll finally get the attention it deserves. 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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First I have seen this thread as well.
Its a good read with a disappointing ending.
I will contrast it with something I know well. Former president of PCGS Ron Garth once found a 1972-D half where the designer's initials were polished off of the die. So PCGS started to slab them as No FG and now money is made from a common non-mint-error occurrence. The sad truth is now all the companies slab a lot of them where the FG is actually visible and people have been taken for thousands (literally).
Sadly in cases like the 1972-D Kennedy and your nickel, it seems all about who finds the coin for it to be recognized.
How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash? Download and read: Grading the graders Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halveshttps://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2
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Valued Member
United States
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Man JDRMCP, this is a sad ending, (hopefully not), to a very excellent story. I hope some day it'll be recognized and it'll be like the $1.7 mil penny. Good luck and keep the faith.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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JD, I am a retired MD. I practice in West Germany, US and Canada. No system is perfect. You focus on your field, ignore the system and be for your patients. If you go to be frustrate with all kind on organizations, union, insurances company or pharmaceutical you will be out of your life and the patients who need you will be alone.
The years I work the collecting was my relax. 10, 12 or 16 hours some days with 8 to 12 hours OR I needed. so coming home I took 1 or 2 hours with my stamps. coins, notes and porcelain. Was my relax, my recuperation (except the frustration of my wife).
For your coin now: First: IMO your coin has the origins on the Die Hub. For me is obvious that those marks was on the die. Me I discuss only for the U. The Dies for proof are never re-polish and are use very shot time due to the fact strike 2 time each coin. Second : you has the confirmation for a brother of your coin with same marks, so this confirm that the Die make those traces. The wall of accepting new varieties is high (mentality and commercial thinking). Third: If the second find like this exist, are mean an maximum of 5000 coins could be (5000 is the max for proof coins to be struck by an Die in that time).
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Pillar of the Community
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Not saying it's the same type of issue by any means because yours def looks more like some sort of doubling but they both share the distinction of being somewhat uncommon head scratchers for the most part. I was told that my example is a form of erratic die failure caused by some foreign debris entering the striking chamber and breaking apart leaving corresponding damage on the die face causing raised "gouges"on the coin. The big difference between our posts is that mine evolved from the unknown right past the healthy debate into some testy exchanges between myself and pretty much everyone else, including some guy named Mike Diamond. Obviously I was right and everyone else was wrong. But that's how you learn. I also forgot to add previously in this reply that another similarity is the fact we both came up with dropped letter as a guess as to what the issue might be because ..... also please note that this reply is me attempting to make fun of myself and I am well aware of who Mike Diamond is. Again, sorry for hijacking this post through a post edit but seeing as how.it originate like 7years ago, I figure what could be the harm. http://goccf.com/t/380409
Edited by Waynoah83 04/25/2022 11:27 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Quote: mine evolved from the unknown right past the healthy debate into some testy exchanges between myself and pretty much everyone else, including some guy named Mike Diamond. Obviously I was right and everyone else was wrong. But that's how you learn. @ WAY: you confound the apples with potatoes. Your coin from point of view of collectors is 5 cent. You have the fish who pay for, happy for you. This coin seem to be complete other thing, and I think could be an hub die variety. Your is far from. Other thing: what is your authority to come here and insult peoples? Mike Diamond is one of the bigger coins specialist in life in US. All the TPG and all associations recognize him and ask his opinions. Hope you understand where you stand by.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I have answer from the collectors net. Other two coins like this are know. One in Mexico and other in Alberta, Canada.
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Pillar of the Community
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Lol. I'm pretty sure the first sentence in my reply clearly stated that I by no means am trying to say these are similar events. I was just trying to point out the fact that they are both uncommon regardless of value. Everyone for some reason keeps bringing up the potential value of the coin in my post even though I never asked for opinions on potential value and clearly stated I've never sold one of my finds nor would I woth said nickel. I was also trying to make an attempt at self deprecating humor by pointing out the fact I was kind of getting frustrated and responding in the same because it seemed like no one was reading my original post stating that the areas on my coin were in fact raised and I did all the normal tests to make sure it wasn't glue, incused, etc. I also am very familiar with Mike Diamond and the fact I made it sound like I was clueless to his gravitas in regards to the hobby head another miss at humor. I forgot context is easily lost in this format. I d oappreciate the feedback but if you read my original post thoroughly, like no one else originally, save for a few, then maybe I wouldnt have felt the need to hijack this post.
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Pillar of the Community
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No one else wants to chime in with an opinion? I dont care if you agree with me or not. I just like the constructive criticism.
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