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1652 Pine Tree Shilling Noe 29

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 Posted 03/02/2015  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pistareen to your friends list
By "Noe-29" of course that is Sydney P. Noe who worked at the American Numismatic Society in New York for many years and who wrote an identification guide by looking at all the die types of Massachusetts silver. NOE-29 is a small Pine Tree Shilling minted in the last seven years of John Hull's contract with the Colony of Massachusetts Bay. These were originally called "Bay shillings." Yours was minted between 1675 and 1682. John Hull passed away the next year. Noe-29 is distinguished by the letter "D" in England having been cut in the die backwards and then corrected. Yours shows this clearly and is a nice example. The hole hurts it in value but not as much as on a common coin. Breen notes two dies states as evidenced by the top of the tree. Will need to look into that.

Please show us the cob you found with this shilling if you don't mind. There are both common and rare cobs too.
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 Posted 03/02/2015  9:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ahab8 to your friends list
Guys I really appreciate all of the info on this coin. I just posted the 1664 Cob as well. It's not nearly as nice as the tree coin but it made for one heck of a spill. Thanks again
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 Posted 03/03/2015  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pistareen to your friends list
Sorry this took a while to click with me. Oddly enough your Noe-29 Small Pine Tree Shilling is the second one I've seen come from the ground. Take a look at this other one, not as nice as yours with regard to wear, but still I'm sure they must be fun to dig. In your thread about the 1802 large cent (a very nice find) you said more Spanish silver has been unearthed up your way. I'd love to see any whole, holed, or sharp (cut) foreign coins. I'll try to ID in place and time the origin of any silver slivers you may wish to share.

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 Posted 03/03/2015  8:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ahab8 to your friends list
Pistareen I will post a few up for you to see. Thanks for the interest
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 Posted 03/03/2015  9:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Thundercoin to your friends list
Ahab, where on the Mid-coast do you live? I lived in Stockton Springs for a couple years.
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 Posted 03/03/2015  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Probably carried as a charm or medalet. Yeah, the hole hurts the value but still a righteous 4 figure coin.
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 Posted 03/03/2015  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ahab8 to your friends list
Thundercoin I live in Topsham right next to Brunswick. I have spent a lot of time in Searsport as my aunt and uncle lived there. My uncle still has a dental lab in Searsport but lives in Belfast now.
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Another amazing find, and I agree in about extremely fine condition.
As amida17 mentioned, Noe-29 is described in the Bowers Encyclopedia as usually well struck. The rarity rating for the issue is URS-10, meaning that 250-499 pieces are estimated extant.
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 Posted 03/04/2015  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weatherman6 to your friends list
Didn't mean to hijack Ahab's thread, but was wanting to get in touch with Pistareen and didn't know how to make contact other than by making another post here. You had mentioned in this thread that you were interested in seeing more dug Spanish silver coins. I live in SE Virginia and have dug 176 colonial silver coins over the last 15 years including the Lord Baltimore sixpence shown in my avatar, and would be willing to share some pics of those if you're interested. You can contact me by email ..... thanks!
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 Posted 03/04/2015  10:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Weatherman6, I hope you'll understand why we deliberately limit the ability of new members to independently contact others off-forum. Your Forum Email privileges will not take effect for a while yet.

With that said, we will happily bend these rules in the right circumstance. With your permission, I will provide Pistareen with your registration email (I've seen enough of him to know you two share a passion) and you can get in touch. However, we would really prefer that exchanges of actual numismatic information take place within the Forum so other members can benefit from it. This is the second main reason for making off-Forum communication less accessible.
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 Posted 03/04/2015  10:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Ahab8, have you researched much into the less-intrusive forms of cleaning? We both know your digs will almost all be Details coins in a slab, but Details coins gain value for eye appeal far more even than original-surface coins. This coin is not the best example - I like the look - but it may be to your financial advantage down the road to maybe get some "less clean" on a case-by-case basis.
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Dave - I didn't realize there were email restrictions for new members, but I certainly understand. I started to post some of my coins that I thought he might be interested in, but I wanted to make sure he was aware I did that which is why I was inquiring about his email. As you offered, please pass on my email to Pistareen, and I'll do my best to keep our communication on the forum. Thanks!
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 Posted 03/04/2015  3:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ahab8 to your friends list
Hey Dave I'm very open to any and all advice and promise you guys can't hurt my feelings. If I do something wrong please let me know. Obviously this particular coin could be an expensive lesson learned.
When I gently rinsed the dirt off the tree coin it had a really weird looking brownish red tint to it. So I placed it in lemon juice to try to make it look a bit better. I tried to keep a nice dark toning as I didn't want it bright and shiny. I would love to hear any advice from you or others on cleaning techniques or whatnot. I love this forum btw. Excited to learn as much as possible. The one saving grace on the tree coin is that I have no intentions of selling it. If I dug a NE Shilling worth $100,000 that would be a whole different story lol
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 Posted 03/04/2015  4:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scopru to your friends list
Nice dig... good coin to add to a collection.
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 Posted 05/31/2015  5:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steviegetz to your friends list
i think its still very pleasing being lightly cleaned, esp for a ground find. the hole isn't very distracting either. I think you could probably get $1800 on a good day. but I wouldn't sell it.
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