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Black Cabinet?... Are These Colonial Counterfeits?

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 Posted 04/22/2015  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lcutler to your friends list
Fake for sure I am afraid. Cast copies of colonial coins have been popular for many years so there are a lot of the earlier ones made before they had to be marked as copies.
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 Posted 04/22/2015  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list
The Massachusetts cent matches the classic Peter Rosa replica still available from coinreplicas.com, though a cruder rendering:
https://www.coinreplicas.com/massac...-cent-1788-5
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 Posted 04/22/2015  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
I can see the seams on the cent on the scale from here
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 Posted 04/22/2015  9:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHuntingDrew to your friends list
The mass. 1788 cent is a highly counterfeited coin. I personally own one myself.
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 Posted 04/22/2015  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list
Ya, I just wanted to confirm my suspensions. Thanks guys
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 Posted 04/22/2015  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ArrowsAndRays to your friends list
Colonial souvenir coin sets are sold all over. I've seen them in D.C., Gettysburg, Boston and Salem, Disney World, and Williamsburg. These look familiar.

edit to add a link the google just provided:

http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/FAQ...nushead.html
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 Posted 04/23/2015  01:14 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Both replicas.

Many of both of these can be found on ebay as the real deal. I have reported hundreds.
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 Posted 04/23/2015  08:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list

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Many of both of these can be found on ebay as the real deal. I have reported hundreds.


Kudos, VT .... Reported dozens, myself.

Most of these, if not all, date back to the 1960's. They were sometimes sold in sets or groupings of different sizes. I have a few that are still in their original, plastic holders. The word COPY was typically absent back then. Ironically, the casting gives these copies a more aged appearance.
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Just like Trade dollars, start with NO and be proven wrong. It's a ton easier on your heart.
Good advice.
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 Posted 04/23/2015  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list
HMMM ... the WM New Hampshire is of course a $15 coin ... they seem to bring that now ... saw one recently in a Stacks/Bowers sale ... seriously.

That Mass. electrotype ... I am thinking $75-up. Try it on E-Bay. Call it a 19thC electrotype ... quite scarce ... IMO.

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 Posted 04/23/2015  5:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list
Say what these things have that much value? And I can sell them on ebay sans repercussion

So the mass is like a contemporary counterfit?
And why would stacks be selling the wm?
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And I can sell them on ebay sans repercussion


Maybe. Technically against the rules but we have to hold them at gunpoint to enforce their rules as it is. John (if he speaks on these, you listen) was being derisive of Stacks, I think.

But if the Mass is an early electrotype, it actually has a dedicated collector base.
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Thanks cJohn! After researching what electrotypes look like I think you nailed it. I guess it IS 2x2 worthy. Do tpgs slab them yet?.. And how far can the + in your estimate go?

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 Posted 04/24/2015  09:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list
If I was you I would submit them both as a pair lot to Stacks Bowers for the next C4 Auction in November 2015. You may have to throw in some other coins to meet a minimum consignment level? I can see the lead interior and the old edge on this piece. Send the images to Vicken and tell him John Lorenzo referred this group to you for the next C4 auction. Who me derisive? LOL.
I guess since that Newman NH piece sold ... these 20thC cast are OK to auction ... a good pedigree is EVERYTHING today ... LOL.

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 Posted 04/24/2015  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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a good pedigree is EVERYTHING today




There's a parallel in Morgan dollars - the Micro O counterfeits. They have a bespoke group of fans, and although acknowledged as contemporary fakes they're collectable. And you can find them in TPG slabs because they weren't unmasked until about 10 years ago.
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