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I am coming around to thinking that these two coins are one and the same. The main thing is that the flan cracks match, I don't see how these could be identical if the coin was struck, or cast. The OP coin is softer, but I think that this is down to photography. Another photo with the capsule discarded and under harsher lighting might show more detail. Here is the apparent difference in the hair  I really hope the coin is genuine, I hope you will let us know. |
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I messaged "meine bruder" late last night. I gave some minimum background information and this is the response I just now received.
"1st I assume the colored photo is the recently found coin.
2nd there can be no doubt that they are related as all the rim defects (and large crack) are the same
3rd the areas of sharpness or roughness of the B&W photo appear smooth in the the Colored photo. This is everywhere esp. on horses. Unless the colored coin was smoothed/polished they can not be the same.
4th making no judgement on the B&W coin I agree that the Colored coin is a cast of the B&W.
5th I am inclined to think that the B&W (Lanz) coin is genuine"
While he is of opinion one is a casting of the other I do not see that as possible as the weights are identical.
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pishpash - looking at your close up, it reveals a lot more differences in the lines of these coins. To the left of the circled area, there is a lock of hair. On the left image, it's a sharp, circular cut. On the right image, it's softer and ovular. That difference is enough to tell me they aren't the same coin.
Edited by jfk33
07/12/2015 10:48 am
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United States
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Some more things to look at: the eyes  On the left, the eye is perfectly circular and larger and the brow is thicker and extends down further. They are not the same coin. And if one is a fake, it wasn't copied from the other. These are distinctly different dies. Edited by jfk33
07/12/2015 11:00 am
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One pic is taken at an angle and the 'Lanz' pic is straight on at 90 degrees.
This accounts for some minor differences.
But a curl of hair cannot simply vanish !
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Pillar of the Community
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I might suggest that perhaps you try recreating the lighting used in the Lanz photo. While it is impossible to duplicate the exact conditions the direction of the primary light source may help. Your pic appears to have the light coming in from 2 o'clock while Lanz seems to be coming from around 11 o'clock. If you can recreate the shadows it may help to "shed some light" on this ........ Enigma !
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Hey FVRIVS RVFVS,
I will try to take a few more pictures at a different angle with the right light setting and post it asap. Maybe LANZ will also write me back about the auction 2011.
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United Kingdom
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Have a look at the following coin.  This coin, which is from the same dies, was offered for sale after having been accepted as genuine and afterwards withdraw by a reputable Swiss auction house in May 2014. A link to the Forvm Fake report. http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fa...p?pos=-15865Martin |
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It would appear that transfer dies were created to create the example in the fake reports above. Here is on from the same dies ex-Hunter collection.  The areas that concerns me most about the OP coin are the edge cracks, the detailing of the wheel on the quadriga and the surfaces. Martin |
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United States
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I am smelling Wisconsin pickled herring and ...... liederkranz !
The coins are in all likelyhood one and the same. But someone has been at work trying to improve it for the last few years.
Obviously it did not fly the first time but why give up so easily ?
I will give you $35 for either one pictured
Twist my arm ........ $40
But not a drachma more !
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07/13/2015 08:54 am
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United States
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maridvnvm - good find. You can see the details truly mimic (or at least attempt to mimic) the original coin. However, the OP's coin is significantly different and is definitely not from the same die. The flan cracks appear to be the only thing the two coins have in common.
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Germany
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And here with light from a lamp. Still not very professional. I will ask my wife to do it better :D.   |
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IMHO - Two coins, both fakes.
You cannot get so many flan cracks in exactly the same places on two different coins by chance.
The strike is also too 'close' to be coincidence.
The minor differences that you see in the top leaf of the laurel and the (almost) lowest curl of hair, are the sorts of differences that you get between coins from a similar mould or a 3d printer.
Size and Weight comparison of both? - If they are close it confirms in my mind that both coins are from the same process.
I hope that I am wrong, but that is what I believe, and why.
I am with FR - but I think his $40 for each is 'generous'.
Edited by Topcat7
07/14/2015 9:24 pm
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New Member
Germany
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The sinoca coin is double struck on the obverse look at the eye! I believe it is genuine. http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1973567Withdrawn neednīt mean that the coin is fake! Sometimes the owner changes his mind, coin is stolen, fell and break etc. If you search for withdrawn at acsearch you will find many fakes but some coins are genuine and withdrawn. There is an very easy way to tell if it is the same coin or not the WEIGHT! Weight of your coin is 14,1g Lanz piece is 14,09g = 100 % the same coin http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1040292Cast fakes generally nerver have exactly the same weight as the host (mother) coin. Coin should be checked by an expert in hand. With best regards, With best regards |
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