Multi Struck Canadian Cent

i have been a tool and die maker for 22 years and I fix dies as well as the presses they run in so I do know how things like this work

gidjit, I still think it strange that everyone is still thinking that this occurred in one pass, I do not see how that would be possible either, but again I have no reason to believe it could not happen. As others on this site have said it is possible it could have happened in the mint, but they also say it's highly unlikely and as Iv'e said I see their point also. As a die designer also, I see how difficult the triple strike side would be to achieve. I was a master printer I also designed dies and ran presses Made Emboss and Deboss dies as well as foil stamping, designed items for the post office, Pfizer, & others. Worked from lead type print shops all the way through film to Direct to plate also Helped write The definitive book on electronic prepress with Rick Walters. Taught press repair and maintenance and saw that with some people anything that could go wrong did go wrong. I have seen people do things on presses thatI still till this day amaze me. I also have my 40 year PIA pin. In 2009, 4900 printing companies across the US went under so I retired. The writing was on the wall for the printing community.

As a scientist, I tend to approach Canadian error coins very much like I approach any problem I encounter in my line of work. Frankly, it is not up to us to prove you wrong; it is up to you, to prove to us that your coin is a legitimate error, using the die striking process employed at that Royal Canadian Mint during the Second World War. Bear in mind, that Canadian presses were (and still are) very much different than US presses.

I have been collecting Canadian small cent errors for quite some time now, I have published several articles on Canadian small cent errors, and most collectors and dealers up here in Canada, consider me an expert on the series. I have taken mint tours and spoken to two generations of mint employees on the nuances of striking coins in Ottawa and Winnipeg (post-1976). That said, when I look at your coin, there are so many red flags and alarm bells, which to me do not fit the striking process. SsuperDdave has already asked some of those questions.

My conclusion is that your coin is exactly what Mike Diamond described it on page two of this thread - a product of being pressed between coins and a soft die. I have a friend who collects "fabrications" here in Ottawa, and has a collection with several examples similar to your coin in it - one of them was even produced by a member who has already participated in this thread.

If you disagree, then break down the striking process at the Royal Canadian Mint that produced what we see here - I look forward to your hypothesis...

This is what happens, when the second strike is off-centre. Mind you, the coin is newer (1963), but the presses were not really any different from the 2nd World War until 1977 - when the new plant opened in Winnipeg.

SPP-Ottawa, I'm Not trying to look ignorant, But I have some Questions that so far no one has really answered on this site, outside of just making fun of me, First off how many soft copies exist at this time 1943, Second I understand the concept but what would be used to create a soft die for copper. Third how much work is it to create such a die, because to me it looks like a lot of work for nothing. The coin has been in my wife's hands for 36 years and her grandmothers for for at least 30years, so whats the point of making a copy like this when back then they were worth nothing.

My 2nd and last response here..

Glad that SPP could make the time to touch base here..

The many true experts have spoken ,..the TPG's will add there expertise on this cent...(soon I hope)

It will make absolutely no difference ...

....he will never, ..ever believe the multitude of well explained facts brought forward here..and we should all be OK with that ...

... nuff said..

SPP-Ottawa, went to the mint site you posted nothing on there about the actual process except how die are reduced and the usual generalized statements.

You have now blown off both the foremost living expert on American numismatic errors, and the foremost living expert on Canadian numismatic errors, in the same thread. Just because you haven't seen enough of these to recognize them on sight doesn't mean we haven't.

There's nothing left to be accomplished here. I am locking this thread for your protection because the only way for this to go is down. If you have this coin evaluated by someone who won't be officially consulting Mike or Roger about it (good luck with that), please contact us via Note To Staff and we wil be happy to reopen it so the new evidence can be discussed, and anyone who was wrong can publicly admit their mistake.

But for now there are no good reasons to leave it open. You won't believe the best, so there's no use in anyone else trying.