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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Looks like Vlds. You can see the flow lines I don't even see MD it's all from the die .
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Pillar of the Community
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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 Mdnyie. Better luck next time.
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Valued Member
 United States
362 Posts |
Thank you all. I had noticed something after I posted this that was really strange. He had a lot of scratches or whatever they were on his face and head that I had noticed but I came across one of the pictures where you could see the double nose underneath but not the nostrils part As you could see in all the other pictures. I'm sure the angle had part of that issue but I noticed a big gouge in his head and his eyes looked shut. I'll be right back and I'll upload the one picture, if you can let me know what you think.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Check out this picture, it's the only one picture the nose came out like this. But what might of happened to his head? 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Looks like the nose may be MD/damaged a bit. Note how the nose id reduced in size of the normal shape?
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Valued Member
 United States
362 Posts |
Thank you Coop I can see that now. What I'm finding puzzling is why all these other pictures had look like a nostril but this one picture came out like this. So do you think the rest of the doubling is also a Machine Doubling as well by any chance?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yes, and some damage Mdnyte. When you get pictures that differ, you compare them to the coin, and post the accurate ones. With a little practice, that should be less of a problem for you.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Thank you very much CoinMaster, I truly appreciate it but I have a question. You mention about posting a accurate picture, now how do you tell which is the more accurate picture when the camera shows two different views? If all other pictures shows two nostrils and this last one shows the second nose in a different light from the rest why would it be wrong to show the picture of both? If the camera gets a picture, then doesn't it show that is how It looks maybe from that angel? When I take a picture and the camera picks up details of what may not be seen with the naked eye, to me that picture is showing me what detail it's seeing that the naked eye (mine anyway) is not seeing. The camera details just what it sees right? How would I argue with the camera what is truly there and was not there that the picture is showing me in order to post an accurate picture. I looked back on the many pictures I took and all but this last picture showed the nose as there are two nostrils there. I assumed the angel would of had something to do with that maybe, but I pointed out when when asking about the huge crack I noticed in the head. I wouldn't know which is the true accurate picture when the pictures are detailing what it's seeing. in his head. When you have one verses about 16 other pictures showing the nose as two nostrils I brought that up hoping one of the experts can help with identifying why there were two nostils? I was also asking for opinions about if anyone felt this was a doubled died coin along with the huge crack in his head I earlier missed. I apologize if I'm not posting accurate pictures but I'm only posting the details the camera is showing me 'it's" seeing.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I must be missing something. What am I supposed to be seeing on the nose? The last photo seems to show some kind of "doubling" beneath the nostril. I see that on all the other nose photos. The last photo also shows what appears to be a thread, hair, or piece of lint on the nose which I do not see on the others.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Thank you Pete2226. LoL it wouldn't surprise me it's probably my hair, it's long and always finding strands of it aound. No if you look at the pictures above with the nose you can see two nostrils where this last picture that second nostil looks different from the rest probably because of the way I took that particular picture I guess. With the nose there is two blackish lines as though it's two nostrils. The last picture posted appears different from the rest. There is also a rather large crack on the side of the head by the ear that I missed earlier.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The crack by the ear looks like damage from a hit.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I'm seeing the same thing in all the images of the nose. I can't think of any coin that I know of that has a doubled nose. Probably because the nose is in the deeper area of the die. We often see eyelids doubled and jaw areas doubled. But when a device/profile is disturbed, it pushes the metal in a direction. So the outside edge of the outline of the profile will be affected. On hub doubling you will note the doubling is inside the profile of the bust. Here is what the difference between the two is:  Note the doubling on the image on the left shows the hub doubling inside the profile? Note the machine damaged example on the right shows how the outside edge of the profile is clipped during the die movement during the strike. This often happens from bounce after the strike and it damages the devices pushing metal upward like a snow plow.  Most of time it is not on the same level as the fields:  Thus the damage reduces the normal size of the devices. On your coin the area you see as a double is the bottom part of the normal location of the device. the moved section looks like it was pushed back raising the metal. All the images of the nose show the same thing to me. Metal pushed backwards on to the nose with a lower area still present. (but reduced)
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Valued Member
 United States
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Thank you Pete2666 and Coop. Okay if I'm reading this right and I'm not to familiar with doubled dies but it machine doubled and of no value? Although I think I will keep it because I'm fascinated with the nose. I've been dabbing into coins on and off for the last few years and I've never seen anything like that :)
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Valued Member
 United States
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Dabbling - sorry auto correct has a way of sneaking in...
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