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1883-CC Morgan Dollar Updated Pics

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 Posted 01/24/2008  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
I think the look on the Obverse may be a touch up on the picture in photoshop (I could be wrong but thats what it looks like to me)
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 Posted 01/24/2008  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list
I don't think the pictures have been doctored at all. I think it's a pretty clean example. Just not sure about the cheek chatter and if they are being accentuated by the angle/lighting.
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 Posted 01/24/2008  2:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list
Hi Tighe,
The reverse looks unc to me but the dull luster and lack of detail in the hair over Liberty's ear make the obverse look AU-ish. The dull fields could just be the photo and the weak hair detail could be strike-related, but if I have to pitch a grade based on these photos I'll go with a slider: AU-58.
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 Posted 02/10/2008  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list
Here are some pics now that I have it in hand. Sorry, but I didn't do anything with lighting on these for better shots. I'm thinking it may be dipped from these pictures, but it doesn't look like it was when in hand. Thoughts again please?

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 Posted 02/10/2008  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add InfiniteInterest to your friends list
I would go MS-64 . Nice clean fields obv and rev, but that chatter on the cheek might hold it from a 65. That's a beauty ! Some very heavy clash marks on this one, I have never looked at the CC VAM's.....I don't have any CC's yet, so can't help ya there. Great coin !
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 Posted 02/10/2008  8:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list
Tights,

I am in agreement with MS64. The Carson City mint put out some amazing Morgans with razor-sharp devices and deeply mirrored fields. Have you checked it over for VAMs. The dash under the second 8 and clash on the neck make me want to call it a 3A. Here's the pic from VAMWorld.

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 Posted 02/10/2008  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1sikevo to your friends list
Nice MS64 to me.
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 Posted 02/10/2008  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
I'm thinking VAM-5A or 8A, SeatedNut, based on the alignment of the mint mark. VAM-3 and VAM-4 have crooked mint mark placements. Either way, it sure looks like a transferred-letter clash. Not super-desirable, but interesting all the same.
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 Posted 02/10/2008  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list
If the seller had had your photos Tighe he probably could have gotten a better price! They are much more flattering to the coin. It now looks MS and well-struck to boot. The contact marks on the cheek and neck and on the eagle's breast would keep it in MS-63 territory, but high-end for the grade.
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 Posted 02/11/2008  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
quote:
If the seller had had your photos Tighe he probably could have gotten a better price! They are much more flattering to the coin. It now looks MS and well-struck to boot. The contact marks on the cheek and neck and on the eagle's breast would keep it in MS-63 territory, but high-end for the grade.


All true, but I'm bothered by the halos around the obverse stars.
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 Posted 02/11/2008  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list
Yup ... I would agree with 5A due the eagle's beak. I don't see all the clashes that are associated with the 8A. Of course I'm a lot older and my eyes don't work like they used to.
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 Posted 02/11/2008  6:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gbchaosmaster to your friends list
MS60/64. MS60 overall due to the obverse. I don't think it would get nograde, but it might get slabbed as "scratches".

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 Posted 02/11/2008  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list
I'll go with ms63, which would grade her ms64 with the CC bump.
I too am a little bothered by the halos around the obverse stars.....either it's just a little toning or it could be residue from a dip. How is the luster on the obverse compared to the reverse? Is the luster even across the entire obverse? Is there any evidence of toning on the reverse (or rim) associated with the obverse area in question (the toning should have started from the rim on in)?
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 Posted 02/11/2008  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list
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I too am a little bothered by the halos around the obverse stars


That's the gamble I took buying from these pictures. It was a property auction and I paid right at book pricing. I took a chance, and while I don't think I got burned, I didn't get the deal of the century. Last one I did like this was the 1928 Peace and I made a tidy profit. This one I won't turn a profit per se, so I'll probably just keep it since I don't have a CC in my collection. I'm very happy with it actually, and I honestly don't think it has been dipped. The halos scared me with the pictures also, but I think it's NT. I think without the little hits on the cheek, she'd be a screamer. I just like that fact that the fields are spotless.

Anyhoo, thanks folks, and thank you very much for the VAM info.
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 Posted 02/16/2008  4:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list
I think Dave got it right. I think it's VAM 5A looking at these close ups. Sorry, I only have a 4mp camera. Notice the clash at the beak and the die crack in the wing.

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No idea of a premium, but cool regardless in my opinion.
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