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Pillar of the Community
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Can you elaborate or should we take your assertion as gospel? So who would it need to say it was PMD for you to believe it as so? Why not thank him for his educated perspective? Some of you guys on here kill me. You get some of the best minds in the hobby to help out with your questions FOR FREE, and you act like that? WOW. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I never said anyone has to take my word as "gospel" but since you are looking to hold people accountable for their words, I am now looking at you UKpennyhunter. If you really think it looks anything like a doublestruck coin, then you really have no idea what a doublestruck coin looks like and you should probably refrain from commenting on coins outside of your area of "expertise".
If it were doublestruck, then the second strike would have been out of collar and the rim would have been completely flattened with minimal remaining traces of the first strike. Since the rim and primary strike details are present in addition to obvious rim and device deformation(smash job), it is most definitely not a double strike error or any other sort of error.
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Valued Member
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Who knows if it's an educated perspective or not, he just said ' PMD'! I genuinely wanted his opinion on the error and sorry if that sounded rude or anything that really wasn't my intention. What you have just said however is quite rude, why is it that me trying to elicit more information and further discussion on the subject is 'killing you'? Furthermore, it wasn't my question in the first place that is being answered FOR FREE, I have no idea who are 'the best minds in the hobby' in this forum and you are the only one who has chimed in on this thread without giving anything constructive. Biokemist - I apologize if that sounded rude, I do want to know what you think about the error as that's the only way I'm going to learn. |
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Valued Member
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Wow OK, well thank you both for that. I seemed to have offended you both which wasn't my intention and while I thank you for your explanation which genuinely has taught me something new, I will refrain from posting or trying to help on this forum again because clearly I am an idiot who knows nothing. I never said I was an expert and was only giving my opinion, just because you know more does not mean people who don't are not entitled to have a try. I also did say that it was more than likely PMD and also that I 'suggest' it being double struck, giving explanations for both reasons. It's nice to have knowledgable members but when they give no explanation it helps no one to learn. Edited by UKPennyHunter
01/04/2016 3:36 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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Speaking from a new guy perspective, I understand the frustration with a simple, unexplained response. Noone should be offended when asked to elaborate. This is a forum for discussion whether you are an expert in the field or not. I'm pretty sure UK is just tryng to learn something from friendly knowledgeable people as am I. Just my 2 Cents.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Wanting more of an explaination is one thing. Saying, "or should we take your assertion as gospel?" is a whole other thing. That is what I took offense to. Learn some respect for those that have done this a lot longer and who have given countless hours of their own time helping others. Look at his post count!!! You think he has 10,000 posts of "nice coin" or "cool"?
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01/04/2016 5:18 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Here is a full explaination of what I feel happened to this coin. I feel that if it is the same size, then another cent was placed on top of it and either had it struck by a hammer, or squeezed in a vice to leave that kind of an impression. It was done post mint. Had it been a clip, which is done before striking by the die, I feel the metal flow would have taken the devices UNI over and into the crevice. But because you can faintly still make up the outline of those letters on the surface, also leads me to believe it was done post mint.
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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 .. I was kind of thinking that this is what happen to it. Thank you for your opinions. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Note the edge of the coin. It is not round. The coin was altered after the strike. If you placed two coins between two pieces of wood and hit it with a hammer, it would only affect the two coins in the center. The outside coins would not have a mark. (unless the coins are bent) If it were a double strike then both sides of the coin would be affected. There would also be a lack of rim on this area of the curve. It shows an indented line like what you would expect from another coin hitting that coin. So it is PSD to this coin. Altered after the strike. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I agree that the indent was caused by another coin. I suspect it was a dime, since the curve seems to be part of a smaller disc than the cent.
I'm glad we managed to keep this thread under control before it got locked.
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Pillar of the Community
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I suspect it was a dime, No it was not a dime, as I stated earlier a cent fits in the curve. |
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By the way, this is what an incomplete clip looks like.   Quote:
I'm glad we managed to keep this thread under control before it got locked. Trust me, I was watching it closely...  "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Thanks SPP I see the difference.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Here is another one from the U.S.:   Edited by coop
01/06/2016 11:35 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The crushing of the design rim and letters indicates this is post-strike damage.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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