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Pinch Me, I Must Be Dreaming (Austrian Ducats For $13)

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 Posted 01/17/2016  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list
Are they really ducats, not some gold plated brass token...? Sorry, I don't know much about Austrian coins to start off with.
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 Posted 01/18/2016  12:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list
https://www.NGCcoin.com/priceguide/...DetailID=109

The design is definitely a ducat. As for whether they are real... we will see.
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 Posted 01/18/2016  03:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list
Hi,

With a 99.8% Positive feedback the odds would be in your favor.

I hope you beat the system and watch out since that pinch could really wake you up.

Best of luck
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 Posted 01/18/2016  03:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list

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...a jewelry scale


Oh, I forgot to mention that along with the magnet test calculating the SG (Specific Gravity also involves the jewelry scale) would produce a more definitive and conclusive result on the composition of this object.

If it sticks, obviously pass on the SG.

IMHO

PS: Don't forget to keep this thread posted on your findings.
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 Posted 01/18/2016  05:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dohcollector to your friends list
there will be no gold I think ...because one of the coins says L.CHR.LAUER (Ludwid christian lauer)and he was one nororius german coin imitator ,he made lots and lots of nuremberg -and rechen pfennings in his day

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 Posted 01/18/2016  06:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list
I'm still not convinced - the legend doesn't match what is shown in NGC. I'm still under the impression that they are brass.
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 Posted 01/18/2016  08:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdmern to your friends list
The one to the left is definitely a spielemarke- Not gold. On the plus side, it is a neat piece and would fit nicely into a token collection
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 Posted 01/18/2016  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinworldtv to your friends list
These are brass gaming tokens, which immitate ducats, not the real stuff.
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 Posted 01/18/2016  1:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Potsdam to your friends list
Exactly. The both got "Spielmarke" and "Rechenpfennig" written on them. The inscription says that at least the left one is a token that has been minted by Chr. Lauer, so they were both minted in Nuremberg.

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 Posted 01/18/2016  4:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinworldtv to your friends list
Oh the other hand I think, that the guy (the seller) never claimed any of these to be gold. Or did he?
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 Posted 01/18/2016  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
It's not too bad, given you'd probably pay $5 to $10 each from a dealer for those Austrian bronzes. But no, you didn't get any free gold, sorry. The rechenpfennigs will be made of brass. They're probably worth $5 or so each as well, from a dealer when properly identified.
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 Posted 01/18/2016  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list

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TWO gold ducats?

Boh are holed, but those are still worth $120-130 each for melt value alone. Am I going crazy? Did I miss something obvious here?


YES.
You forgot one of the main rules of ebay bidding.
"If it looks too good to be true then it probably is"

The other coins look interesting and the tokens are as well so I don't think you wasted your money at all.
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 Posted 03/06/2016  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paxbrit to your friends list
If it's a fake, then it's not an Austrian Ducat. Go for a refund once you get them and see what you've got.

People make a living off of the attitude, 'It's only ten bucks, not worth the bother'.

If they are fakes, ebay may refund your money without any return, all you need provide is proof of mailing, in any event.
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 Posted 03/07/2016  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list
Forgot to respond to this thread.

The two "ducats" were indeed spielmarke, but I was able to flip them to recover most of the cost of the lot anyway. I also won a lot of ancient coins from the same seller that were worth significantly more than what I paid, so I figured I would call it even.
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