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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks for the reply. I am away for several hours today at this writing, but will return and take a look at your items. I have over two dozen good images of different coins and will see how yours compares. I also have images of 4 or 5 types of genuine- so look for a better reply from me several or so hours from now.
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Pillar of the Community
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OK here goes:
I feel better about the first than the second.
Not having weight, measures and density values doesn't help.
I began with a few coins that were hard to pin down, so I bought more coins that were identified for me.
This helped a little, but I found some sellers were mistaken.
At that time I had 6 coins that I knew and 6 I wasn't sure about.
So I bought more and more coins to study in the shop using the equipment.
That resulted in having 12 coins I knew and the other 12 uncertain.
I can't say for sure, but I can say the first one looks most like one of the genuine types.
I'm not too keen on the color as it looks more brassy than billon.
Maybe you could ask the seller for a good weight measure- that might help.
If it looks good AND has good weight then you could feel better about buying it.
The genuine coins I have all tend to be the heavier pieces.
I will also say that just looking at Cayenne 2 sous images can sometimes be a very poor way to say if a coin is official or not.
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New Member
United States
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Thank you for all the info Albert. I will heed your advice and pay attention to the thickness and weight of the coin. Hopefully I can get the seller to give me this kind of information. I won't try to make a determination just from the image. Best of luck to you in all your coin endeavors.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If you buy the first coin, I'd be curious to see how it compares to my genuine 1782 piece that resembles type 2e.
Some of your letters are thicker than mine, but that may be Ok. It's a good look-a-like for the most part.
Mine is 22.5mm dia, 0.64mm thk, 1.88g weight, 9.03 density and is slightly diamagnetic.
But mine does not look brassy, it looks like old brown copper. But at 9.03 density, it is more like billon.
If yours was cleaned at some point that may have spoiled the natural color if it really is authentic.
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New Member
United States
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Thank you Albert. I have my doubts that I'm going to get all those technical numbers from a seller, but it's good to know them.
Yes, that first coin looks brassy to me too. And neither counterfeit nor cleaned appeals to me, so I'm probably going to pass. When I do finally get one, I can try to get those specs for you.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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When you do look, in order to feel good about getting an official issue, look for a solid clear Heron and good weight of about 1.9 to 2 grams. These coins can be quite dark or even deep brown depending on the ratios of bases metals in the low purity silver alloy. If you can, just ask a seller for weight and look at the pics yourself. Post any pics of others you find because there are 5 or more types and many varieties among the non-official issues. If the coins contain easy-to-identify characteristics of the counterfeits & imitations, it's easier to rule them out.
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New Member
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Thanks Albert for the additional info. A couple days ago I purchased one of these on ebay. I felt good about it because of the clear Heron and similarity to your photo of a genuine example. But even more so, I felt confident because the seller said "yes" when I asked if the coin's thickness was somewhere between a penny and a nickel (I've gotten the impression that a coin of normal thickness is much more likely to be genuine than a really thin one). But then the coin arrived in the mail and I made the dismaying discovery that the seller hadn't told the truth -- the coin is very thin (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he simply said "yes" without checking, as opposed to telling an outright lie). I'm posting pics of the coin in case it helps you in your quest to identify all the various incarnations of this coin.   Edited by FirstFrom
08/11/2017 9:15 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Based on the pics it looks pretty good. Would be interesting if you could reply with a good weight measure- just so I can add this to my notes I'm keeping on these types of coins.
Not a precise match for my 1782 but a good number of similarities. Presuming it's genuine (and I don't know them all) but nothing jumps out at me and it looks more genuine than the fakes I have.
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08/11/2017 9:35 pm
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New Member
United States
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I don't have a coin scale, but perhaps it's time I shopped for one. When I get one I'll weigh the coin and post the result.
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New Member
United States
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Hello Albert,
Finally got a coin scale -- my coin weighs in at 1.76 grams. Do you think that weight is consistent with a genuine coin?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It is, but it's not that simple. A weight of 1.76 fits both the genuine and the fakes. But since it doesn't look like my obvious fakes and it does weigh in the higher end instead of the lower end I'd say it's in your favor. The trouble is, my particular coin that weighs 1.76 is claimed to be "uncertain" by my standards. Can you make an accurate measure of thickness and diameter in mm and say if it's actually round and uniform or irregular shaped and non-uniform thickness? That would tell me more to compare on my data sheets for the coins I've documented.
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New Member
United States
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My coin is nicely round and seems to be of uniform thickness. The diameter is 22.5 mm. Thickness is well under 1 mm -- when looking at the three edges in the picture you posted at the top of this thread, I'd say the closest match is the thinnest edge.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Sounds iffy now so I guess I'm no help. My genuines tend to be smaller diameter and thicker. Yours is larger diameter but thinner so maybe that's where some of the weight is. It might be one that I would call "uncertain". I have one similar that I claimed as likely genuine at first, but then changed it to questionable. This particular series is one that I have had the greatest difficulty with in that I have a number of known good, a number of known bad, and then a group that I'm just not sure about. If it was in my shop, I'd test density and test for diamagnetic properties to get more clues.
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New Member
United States
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On the contrary Albert, you have provided a lot of help, and you have my thanks. My plan is to keep the coin I have, but also search for and purchase a smaller, thicker, coin that is circular and has a clear heron. And then with both coins in my collection, I will conclude that I have at least one genuine example, and I will be content.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Well at that then I guess you'd be right. This particular series has been tough for me because there seems to be more counterfeits and imitation than official issues.
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