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1793 Chain Large Cent - Authentic?

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 Posted 02/02/2016  09:38 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
It's an electrotype copy. Not an electroplated original.
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Electro is ebay slang for "electroplated" which was a method contemporary counterfiters used to make counterfits for circulation which are highly prized collectors items today however if you put the word counterfit even with contemporary before it ebay will kill the listing. So he's just getting around the ebay bot while still conveying what it is to those that collect them. However I have no idea if the price is high but I would suspect so

Not quite...

The collectible 19th century electrotypes were produced privately to satisfy the demand for collectors who could not obtain genuine specimens of the real thing. "Electro" does not mean "electroplated"; it means electrolytic deposition of copper on a mold. The results are very obvious copies, even by a novice, and should never fool anyone as being genuine US minted coins.

I own a few early electrotypes of chain cents, 1799 cents and 1804 cents. They usually trade hands for ~ $100.

(Does ebay allow the sale/auction of early electrotypes?)
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It's an electrotype copy. Not an electroplated original.

Why would anyone electroplate an original?
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 Posted 02/02/2016  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
Here's an electrotype of a 1793 Half Cent drawing bids ....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1793-Half-C...AOSwuYVWpS0O
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That 1793 Half Cent is not a bad specimen of a 19th century electrotype.
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 Posted 02/02/2016  3:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CSOTUS to your friends list
Shouldn't all electrotype'd coins say COPY like Moe's does since it is not an original?
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Shouldn't all electrotype'd coins say COPY like Moe's does since it is not an original?


Only those produced since 1973, when the Hobby Protection Act was passed.
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 Posted 02/02/2016  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
No, simply because the vast majority of electrotypes pre-date the Hobby Protection Act of 1973 by many decades.
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 Posted 02/02/2016  5:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
This was discussed on another forum a day or two ago. I don't believe it is an electrotype, I believe it is just a modern fake.


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Shouldn't all electrotype'd coins say COPY like Moe's does since it is not an original?

Only if it was made after 1973. (Frankly I don't know of anyone making electrotypes anymore. Casting is easier, and die struck copies allow for a much larger production run giving them more fakes to sell.)
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I checked on it, it's a highly collectible contemporary and will stay up.
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 Posted 02/03/2016  08:48 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
^ agree
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 Posted 02/03/2016  1:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CSOTUS to your friends list
Just checked and it sold.
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 Posted 02/04/2016  01:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
with Bobby, the EAC regularly offers these in their convention auctions, they sell in the $100-400 range depending on the date and variety of course. Very collectible on the old electrotypes.
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 Posted 02/04/2016  08:46 am  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list
Where is ebay's coin selling policy does it say that replicas or counterfeit coins are OK to sell if they are done a long time ago (contemporary counterfeits), or that it is OK if they are "collectible"?


If I list a fake 1909-S VDB, but call it a highly collectible contemporary, then that is OK?

Seems like a huge loophole to me.
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It seems I read some where that the contemporary counterfeit micro "o" Morgans are against ebay policy and they pre-date the hobby protection act as well. Where is the line?
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