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San Francisco Mints Last Year Of Presidential $1 Coins

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 Posted 02/15/2016  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tweak800 to your friends list
What is the next reverse proof coin?
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 Posted 02/15/2016  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
There should be a reverse proof dollar in the Reagan Coin and Chronicles set due to release this December.
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 Posted 02/15/2016  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list

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Just look at that Reagan dollar. The design is certainly growing on me


It does look better from a distance jbuck.
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 Posted 02/15/2016  3:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snowman24 to your friends list
I bet if anything happened to Carter .. they would squeeze him the there somehow . someyear

just like the mint changed the rules for the Reagan coin
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 Posted 02/15/2016  3:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
They did not really change the rules. The text of the legislation is ambiguous enough to be interpreted to either allow or disallow a Reagan dollar. The mint opted to interpret it the way that allowed for it, which is what you do when in the business to generate revenue.

That being said, what is done is now done. The mint cannot unilaterally create a Carter dollar without proper authorization from Congress.
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 Posted 02/15/2016  3:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list
It will be nice to call the Dansco Presidential dollar
albums ... FInished

I have to say I like them .. but will be happy
they are done ... even if there will be some
odd empty holes at the end.
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 Posted 02/15/2016  4:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add atticguy to your friends list
I liked the article. I also think I would enjoy working at the Mint. If they ever open a branch here in Detroit, I'll make sure I update my resume and apply!
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 Posted 02/15/2016  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
I never get tired of articles showing the actual production and the folks who are performing the tasks.

Thanks for that one.
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 Posted 02/16/2016  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crazyglue to your friends list
Great article, thanks for that.

I'm with GR58, I am glad the series is over. But I am in the group that has not cared for it at all. With that said, I collect all the modern series, so I collect it.

So I am curious what most people will consider "complete" with this series? And that can actually work as a larger question for all series.

Assuming you collect the proof along with the business strike-- will you consider your collection complete without the reverse proofs, or will you want that to consider it complete?

Also-- if you do consider them, how would you collect them? Would you put them in extra holes in a Dansco or would you leave them in their OGP?

For me, I am thinking I will need the reverse proofs for me to feel it is complete and I will likely use a CAPS album now and take them out of the OGP.

But on a broader scale-- the implication is that if I need the reverse proofs to "complete" my Presidential dollar, then I will no longer feel my Roosevelt dimes are complete because of the March of Dimes set, I will no longer feel my Kennedy set is complete because of the recent varieties (not to mention 98 matte), will no longer feel the SAC is complete without the 14 and 15 enhanced... and now might not even feel my nickel set is complete without the additional mattes (though I am mostly talking about proof coins in this long winded post).

Stepping outside the Dansco limitations, strictly regarding proof varieties, what do you consider required to call your collection complete?
The standard clad proof, both the standard clad and silver proof or all the proof varieties?

I did create this question as a thread of its own in the modern series forum.
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 Posted 02/16/2016  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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I did create this question as a thread of its own in the modern series forum.
Good call.

For your convenience...

https://goccf.com/t/253613
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 Posted 02/16/2016  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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They did not really change the rules. The text of the legislation is ambiguous enough to be interpreted to either allow or disallow a Reagan dollar. The mint opted to interpret it the way that allowed for it,

True, but until 2014 ended and Carter hadn't died meaning Reagan would have been left out, they had interpreted it the other way. Until January or February of 2015 the Mint website showed the series ending with Ford. Then all of a sudden they changed the interpretation to allow Reagan.
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 Posted 02/17/2016  10:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Then all of a sudden they changed the interpretation to allow Reagan.
Yes, because money.
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 Posted 02/17/2016  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list
Up until late 2014, it was still theoretically possible for Carter to be featured (Bush, too, if he happened to die as well), and for the series to end up with an unbroken run of presidents. Thus the list ended with Ford, because for all they knew they would've needed to include Carter.
The original legislation, as far as I know, specifically allowed to include any future eligible presidents, even if elected after the start of the program. (That being 2007, McCain, in particular, was a definite possibility.) It didn't say anything about gaps in the run, however (perhaps whoever wrote it expected Carter to be dead by 2014).

Somewhat ironically, Nancy Reagan is still alive, even though a coin featuring her is already planned (the First Spouse gold). As far as I know, though, the legislation directly tied the eligibility of the spouse for a coin to that of the respective president, so Nancy Reagan is eligible regardless of whether she is still alive or not when her coin comes out (in 2016).
(Incidentally, the legislation also didn't mention anything about said spouse's gender, other than to use a gender-neutral term. One wonders whether, if Hillary Clinton had been elected in 2008 and proceeded to die before 2014, there would've been a Bill Clinton coin in the First Spouse series! )
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The original legislation, as far as I know, specifically allowed to include any future eligible presidents,
(n)(2)(E) Limitation in series to deceased presidents.- No coin issued under this subsection may bear the image of a living former or current President, or of any deceased former President during the 2-year period following the date of the death of that President.
(n)(8) Termination of program.- The issuance of coins under this subsection shall terminate when each President has been so honored, subject to paragraph (2)(E), and may not be resumed except by an Act of Congress.
- http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/31/5112.html
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The law specified that the president had to have been dead for at least two years. It also specified that the presidents had to released in the order in which they served. This causes the problem in that Carter could not be shown because he had not died, but if they depicted Reagan then the Presidents would not be released in the order in which they served (Because they would be skipping one.) As Jbuck said they bowed to the money and to the popularity of Reagan.

While the legislation required that the President had to have been dead for two years it placed no such restriction on the First Spouse. If Carter had died by the end of 2014 both Rosalyn Carter and Nancy Reagan would have been eligible to have the image of a living First Spouse on a coin. If Hillary had been elected in 2008 and died by 2014 then yes Bill would have been eligible IF They decided to skip over G W H Bush, Bill Clinton, and G W Bush to do a Hillary President dollar.
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