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Trying To Purchase Things In Half Cents?

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 Posted 04/10/2016  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add greenprint to your friends list
How much was the copper in a Half Cent worth in 1857? Hmmm... I can't find the historical data to go back that far. Does anyone know? I'm wonder how much the copper was worth in the Half Cent in 1857 to see how much times face it was when people started to hoard it.

And wait they were discontinued in 1857 and demonetized and monetized as legal tender in 1965?
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 Posted 04/10/2016  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinlover1899 to your friends list
I would love to see a video like that!
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 Posted 04/10/2016  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
Greenprint ... I suggest that you try making a video of drive-thru purchases being attempted with half dollars. Since most kids nowadays don't know what they are, that video would be a hoot ... AND a toot from all the cars waiting in line!
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 Posted 04/11/2016  07:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
If you look into it not long ago many places had coins called Mills. They came in either 1/10 or 1/2 of a Cent and were used to pay taxes on items. I have a roll of them from Missouri.
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 Posted 04/11/2016  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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Half cents were demonetized in 1857 before being made legal tender again in 1965.

Half Cents were discontinued in 1857 not demonitized. They couldn't be demonitized because they never were legal tender in the first place. They were made legal tender possibly in 1933, and definitely in 1965.


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After 1965, the cashier couldn't, by law, refuse the Half Cents, anymore than they could refuse a $2 bill or a Buffalo nickel.

Sure they could, there is no law that requires you to accept legal tender.
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 Posted 04/11/2016  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
Duly noted, Conder. Thank you for the corrections.
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 Posted 04/11/2016  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list
I don't think that people would react any differently than if you handed them a fist full of any miscellaneous 19th century world coins--confusion and "I'm sorry, we can't take these". I consider myself a fairly serious collector, and I have never actually held a Half Cent of any design in my hands.

I did see a video where someone tried to use a gold $20 at a Taco Bell, and it was refused. Likewise, I know that some of the more eccentric members here do like to spend cull 2 and 3 cent pieces. I had a garbage 3CN that I won for $0.13 on ebay thanks to combined shipping... thought long and hard about spending it, then decided to sell it on ebay in a lot.
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 Posted 04/11/2016  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add davec13 to your friends list
Gas is usually taxed at Half Cent intervals. You could try and get a gallon of gas and use one Half Cent instead of letting them round up the tax on the sale. It could be a pretty interesting legal issue too. How many people get overcharged daily when filling up their vehicle?
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 Posted 04/11/2016  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerseyben to your friends list
Thank you Conder for providing that info, I was just about to say the same thing.
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 Posted 04/13/2016  01:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add greenprint to your friends list
Are you going to file a law suit? I mean say gas is 1.999 and you buy 5 gallons then the total would be 9.995 which would get rounded to 10 and go into the store and tell them they owe u half a cent when they refuse because they say they don't have Half Cent coins u can pull one out and show them they are wrong and call the police for not refunding you the .005 :)
0.005 dollar coin is still legal tender so they shouldn't round to nearest cent.

What about the value of the copper seriously anyone knows in the Half Cent when it was discontinued?

Also why u say it wasn't legal tender in 1857 and later?
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 Posted 04/13/2016  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Debrajc to your friends list
I have never researched it but I heard somewhere that back when the 1/2 cent was introduced it was primarily needed to purchase a postage stamp.
Gonna have to read up on that someday.
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 Posted 04/13/2016  6:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Half Cents began in 1793, postage stamps began in 1840. You are thinking of the 3 cent silver. It was authorized as part of the same legislation that reduced the postal rate from 5 cents to 3 cents.


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Also why u say it wasn't legal tender in 1857 and later?

Back when the mint was founded and the different denominations were defined gold and silver were the only things considered to be actual money and they were the only denominations granted legal tender status and they contained almost ther full value in metal content. The copper coinage was a subsidiary coinage intended to be a convenience in commerce and making change. They did NOT contain there full face value in metal content and were not granted legal tender status. In fact it was the profit generated from the difference in the metal content of the copper coins and their face value that financed the mint and allowed the free coinage of gold and silver. (Gold and silver brought to the early mint would be converting into coins at no charge to the depositors. The expense of this was covered by the seigniorage profit on the copper coinage.)

The temporary rising of the price of copper required a reduction of the weight of the copper coins in 1795. After that the value of the copper remained below the face value of the coin until the mid 1850's. In 1854 the mint began experimenting with reducing the size of the cents. The copper nickel cent of 1857 as a compromise of a reduced amount of copper plus a small amount of nickel to keep the metal value close to be less than the face value while producing a smaller more convenient size. A Half Cent piece though would have bee too small though, and since rising prices had made the Half Cent really unneeded it was discontinued completely.

The success of the copper civil war tokens showed the mint that the cent coins did not need to have close to the full metal value. They would circulate just on ther convenience value. so in 1864 the nickel was remove and the weight of the cent was greatly reduced. But to make sure the coins would be accepted, for the first time legal tender status was extended to the copper coins. Even so it was a limited legal tender status. No one could be required to accept more than ten cents worth of one cent pieces.

So the Half Cent and large cent was discontinued before copper coins were given legal tender status.
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 Posted 04/13/2016  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
Well stated, Condor ... Excellent point on the Civil War tokens.
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 Posted 04/13/2016  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add greenprint to your friends list
Thanks for the information I enjoyed reading that and learned new stuff.
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