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1937 LWC Is This A Lamination Crack?

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 Posted 05/21/2016  11:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pete2226 to your friends list
I am just not sure of the proper terminology. I am thinking that a (de)lamination would show the peeling edge around 3 sides of the feature and that a lamination crack would show along one line (edge) only?
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 Posted 05/21/2016  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 11997755 to your friends list
I am not an English major, but I believe to (de)laminate something would be to put it back together. Not even sure if delaminate is an English word. My spell check doesn't believe it is.
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 Posted 05/21/2016  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pete2226 to your friends list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delamination


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Delamination is a mode of failure for composite materials[1] and steel.[2] In laminated materials, repeated cyclic stresses, impact, and so on can cause layers to separate, forming a mica-like structure of separate layers, with significant loss of mechanical toughness.
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 Posted 05/21/2016  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 11997755 to your friends list
And a darn good thing I didn't major in English. Thank you for the link.
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 Posted 05/21/2016  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pete2226 to your friends list
I decided to search this question furthur. This discussion is interesting at this link: http://www.error-ref.com/?s=lamination+crack


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Lamination Cracks
Definition: Lamination errors are planchet errors in which the surface of a coin cracks and flakes. It is generally believed that lamination errors are caused by contaminants in the alloy that cause the metal to separate along the horizontal plane. Lamination errors can develop before or after the strike. They are generally restricted to solid-alloy coins. The term "lamination error" is grammatically incorrect as the metal is actually delaminating. While "delamination error" would be the proper term, we're stuck with the terminology we've inherited from previous researchers.
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 Posted 05/21/2016  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Looks like the edge of a lamination peel.
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 Posted 05/21/2016  2:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pete2226 to your friends list

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Looks like the edge of a lamination peel.


can you say how that is different from a lamination crack?
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 Posted 05/21/2016  2:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
There is nothing to crack on a lamination. The edge where the peel occurred leaves that irregular line. A die crack leaves a raised area on the coin because where the crack happened, there is a small void that leaves a raised area on the coin. So how could it be called a lamination crack? The correct term be peel. But they are all considered under the term: 'A Lamination" issue. (peel)
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 Posted 05/21/2016  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pete2226 to your friends list
The term "lamination crack" is used in the reference I cited above.


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A lamination crack is one common manifestation of a lamination error. The surface of the coin simply cracks and may lift up slightly on one side. Lamination cracks are sometimes mistaken for die cracks and split dies by novice collectors.


I guess that is in error?
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 Posted 05/21/2016  3:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Often experts don't agree exactly the same. I use the term that fits the description best the way I see it. Others may use a different term.
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 Posted 05/21/2016  3:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pete2226 to your friends list
Okay - I can accept that! Thanks!
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 Posted 05/22/2016  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 11997755 to your friends list
Hate to ask this but; Is a copper sheet actually laminated when it is fabricated. Probably not. Therefore can we actually have a delamination ?
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 Posted 05/22/2016  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pete2226 to your friends list

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Hate to ask this but; Is a copper sheet actually laminated when it is fabricated


I have wondered about that, too. Since the experts talk about laminations, I have assumed that it must be. Perhaps it happens during the process of continued rolling of the sheets to achieve the right thickness? Still, I have never seen a discussion about that.

Perhaps someone had a good answer?
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 Posted 05/22/2016  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Here is some information off the web:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolli...etalworking)
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