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How Can This Be An MS 65.

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 Posted 07/18/2016  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
I would not even pay 63 money. You could look through dealers stock and cherry pick better for about 17 to 18 dollars CAD.
@Priorpence the hair bun weakness is a very common occurrence in the 1965 through 1967 Large bead bust. Probably a result of too high of a relief. The striking difficulties continued with 1968 nickel dollars as well.
Full strike 1965 through 1967 are very hard to find .
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 Posted 07/18/2016  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
One of the reasons why I like to examine every coin in hand before deciding to buy.
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 Posted 07/18/2016  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list
MS63 to MS65, ICCS basically grades the fields only of the obverse only.

Remember 'only' this and you'll start understanding their grades.
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 Posted 07/18/2016  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list

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MS-63 $29, MS-64 $60, MS-65 $650


Thus an instance of overgrading becomes a very expensive mistake for somebody else....

If I'm going to spend that kind of money, I want a coin to dazzle me. I'm hard pressed to see any dazzle factor in this case.

Colligo ergo sum
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 Posted 07/18/2016  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pokermandude to your friends list
Playing devil's advocate..

The coin could have an outstanding strike and lustre, enough to make up for that focal point mark, and still be a "true" MS-65. Impossible to tell by that scan though.
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 Posted 07/19/2016  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add priorpence to your friends list
Thanks Pacificoin for the info it is one of those anomalies that helps broaden my knowledge base.
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 Posted 07/20/2016  06:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list
The 63 limiting factor area:

How-Can-This-Be-An-MS-65.

I would never pay 64 money on this one.

IMO
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 Posted 07/20/2016  06:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list

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I would never pay 64 money on this one.


I agree, let alone 65
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 Posted 08/01/2016  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list
It's impossible to judge these fields from a dulled out picture. Undoubtedly the eye appeal is poor and PCGS would penalize this coin because of its methodology of larger emphasis on effigy but it doesn't necessarily mean this coin is over-graded based on current criteria ICCS uses. Not paying the price on eye appeal is one thing, graded is another. Last but not least, later year common dollars in MS65 are currently selling in the 40% range at retail (even lower for 50 cent pieces. $300 would only be starting price for a good coin in this market and eye appeal would decide how much below that it would go.
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 Posted 08/13/2016  4:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1cent to your friends list
Based on the fields, it's a 65 by the ICCS grading method. Certainly not the first 65 I've seen with a nasty mark on the effigy or hidden in the legend.
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 Posted 08/13/2016  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list
I find coins that already exhibit a duller / toned finish are more susceptible to photograph poorly through plastic therefore amplifying the negative effect. Here is an example of a 66 and a 65 both ICCS graded MS-65. I think most would say that the 65 has better eye appeal.

How-Can-This-Be-An-MS-65.
How-Can-This-Be-An-MS-65.
How-Can-This-Be-An-MS-65.
How-Can-This-Be-An-MS-65.

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 Posted 08/13/2016  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list
Such unattractive toning (tarnish would be a better word) on the 1966. I would not care much for it. Better a nice PL set from the same year.
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 Posted 08/14/2016  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list
So in this case I would probably agree on the lack of eye appeal but mostly because of the obverse on the 66. I personally much prefer toned (or tarnished) coins. To me, they posses much more "character" and tend to be far more interesting than a blast white example. I have over 100 66 PL sets on hand...The all look the same to me...
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 Posted 08/15/2016  12:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
"How Can This Be an MS65?"
clearly,
it's not.
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 Posted 08/15/2016  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
That bottom coin looks like it would struggle to make MS62 let alone MS65
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