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1909-S VDB - Opinions?

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 Posted 08/21/2016  10:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
I agree with nss-52, all valid points.
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 Posted 08/21/2016  10:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
Even the V.(D.) B. looks a little off to me.
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 Posted 08/21/2016  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Good job everyone, this is an added MM fake.

- Wrong MM position
- MM is close but not quite right
- Missing the die chip in the S upper loop
- VDB, missing periods, this doesn't happen on the genuine coins

IMO, the coin was altered while it was mint state. However, as the coin was passed around over time, it has some wear. I call it AU-58. I can only dream of the history, I'm sure it's passed hands a few times.

I obtained this from a dealer I frequent at a local show. He had it for "over 10 years", I'd look at it every show and he refused to sell it to me....but I'd ask him everytime. After YEARS of my bugging him, one day he finally asked how much I'd give him for it. We eventually settled on a fairly high price because I wanted it so bad. It's one of the best fake SVDB's I've ever seen and had a touch of "woodiness" to it.

I hope everyone enjoyed the new pictures of it!
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 Posted 08/21/2016  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list
BadThad,
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 Posted 08/21/2016  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Must be added MM - definitely not one of the 4 known die pairs.
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 Posted 08/21/2016  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list
You can see a little bit of glue or whatever they used to put the mint mark on, it looks like some squeezed out around the mark.
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 Posted 08/21/2016  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHuntingDrew to your friends list
NSS said exactly what I was about ready to say...

Authentic coin, just not authentic mintmark. That being said, it's a 1909 VDB.
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 Posted 08/21/2016  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list

Quote:
Good job everyone, this is an added MM fake.

- Wrong MM position
- MM is close but not quite right
- Missing the die chip in the S upper loop
- VDB, missing periods, this doesn't happen on the genuine coins


Question: If it's an added MM fake why is the VDB missing periods?
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 Posted 08/22/2016  08:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list
Excellent question .
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 Posted 08/22/2016  10:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list

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Question: If it's an added MM fake why is the VDB missing periods?


This is quite common with the plain VDB's, those dots get easily filled in with grease. Since the run of S-VDB's was small, the dots are always there. I think I've ever only seen one S-VDB with ONE weak dot. They are normally fully formed.
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 Posted 08/22/2016  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
Thanks Thad - that makes sense.
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 Posted 08/24/2016  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acloco to your friends list
The woody helps this coin pass the first glance test.

Thanks for sharing!
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 Posted 08/24/2016  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
acloco - Please explain.
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 Posted 08/24/2016  10:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acloco to your friends list
The field of the coin, WITH the woodgrain, helps the added mintmark blend. In hand, without a loupe, this coin looks like a high AU or a MS coin with a late die state obverse set of dies.

In this case, I would call the woodgrain, camo!
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 Posted 08/25/2016  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdrosophila to your friends list
A good fake. S and last dot of VDB are wrong though.
It was a 1909 VDB. Then the person removed the last dot of vdb and glue a S on the obverse.
How much do you pay for the coin?
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