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 Posted 10/12/2016  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ChildOfTheWheat to your friends list
The 1917 T1 quarter is the only "nude" coin that id like to think is acceptable.
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 Posted 10/12/2016  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list

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I realize that different parts of the world and country have varying views on marijuana... But as a family friendly site, do we need the "burning marijuana" coin image on the banner? (Or at least it shows up on my mobile view)..... Not a complaint. Figured it's on topic of family friendly


If the kids can recognise what a marijuana leaf looks like then I would image that the damage has already been done
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 Posted 10/13/2016  12:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joeysanders627 to your friends list

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Kids need to be allowed the time in their lives to simply be kids. Whether something is labeled as art or not, there is no dire necessity for kids to lose their innocence b/c they were on a coin forum.


When my classmates and I visited those museums, it did not cause us to lose our innocence. If anything, we as children learned to appreciate things that were never known to us. We learned the different styles of art and appreciated how difficult it was to paint things well. Have you ever tried to be Bob Ross? I did. My happy tree does not look anywhere near as good as his did. That guy was amazing. He made painting look so easy.

If anything causes children to lose their innocence, it is scenes of violent imagery. Whether it is in the home, outside, or on television, I think that does more harm to our children.


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If we allow the extremely explicit ones.... You can explain to the literally thousands of kids' parents why they're there after we assured them, in person while giving their kids bags of free coins, they wouldn't be. I'll forward all the inquiries to you. What's your phone number so I can give it out to the angry parents whose 9 year old just asked them what that person is doing to that other person?


I think a solution is to create a section where adult themed coins are discussed and sold. The only way to enter that section is to pay $1.00 through PayPal. Then you send a password to that member. I doubt nine year olds have PayPal accounts.


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Also, this will not turn into a random policy bashing topic as you have tried to incite.


I'm not bashing anything. I think highly of this site. If anything, I am trying to inspire and not incite. I want to inspire healthy debate. Changes can also be positive. It does not have to mean anything negative about CCF.
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 Posted 10/13/2016  02:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scotty11 to your friends list
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I think a solution is to create a section where adult themed coins are discussed and sold. The only way to enter that section is to pay $1.00 through PayPal. Then you send a password to that member. I doubt nine year olds have PayPal accounts.


If you think that's a solution, create/manage/and maintain a website like this one for a few years. If it works better than this one, I'll become a member. (I doubt that I'll spend $1 to get a password to the 'adult section' though.)
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 Posted 10/13/2016  02:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joeysanders627 to your friends list

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Dad's house, Dad's rules.


Of course, but it never hurts to ask.
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 Posted 10/13/2016  05:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list

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I think a solution is to create a section where adult themed coins are discussed and sold. The only way to enter that section is to pay $1.00 through PayPal. Then you send a password to that member. I doubt nine year olds have PayPal accounts.


We're not going to go through that for what might amount to 5 topics a year on a handful of explicit coins that we can do without. It's just not that important. Also when a coin like that is posted, the topic has to be constantly monitored by the Staff for off color comments that almost always happen.


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If anything, I am trying to inspire and not incite.


We'll have to agree to disagree on that. When you ask if anyone else disagrees with any policies and even use this guy => , how else am I supposed to take it?
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 Posted 10/13/2016  08:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list
Joey , best to leave this topic alone .It is really not worth the time and effort we are spending on this ridiculous subject .
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 Posted 10/13/2016  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list
@Joey
I grew up, thankfully, in a day where there was a lot less problems in society with the natural troubles that result from thinking there are not ideas which children should be exposed to until they are of a proper age. That society was one where personal responsibility and personal restraint for the sake of an honorable society meant much of what plagues (in many areas) our modern society was nowhere near as prevalent as it is today.

From your post it seem you are not of the age where you have yet had your own kids to raise. I raised four in what the media nowadays would call an old-fashioned way - letting them be kids and not force feeding them with issues inappropriate for age level. They were constantly praised in public on their politeness, responsibility, reasoning, and many other positive traits as they were growing up. Now two are happily married in situations which I highly doubt will ever end in a broken family. They all have a strong work ethic and rise to the top in their jobs/efforts in our modern society b/c of their responsible character.

Just one of the things I made sure my kids were not exposed to was the very thing being discussed here. Hormones raging are the hardest things for youth to deal with responsibly when it is their time in life to do so. Premature exposure incites curiosity that most often leads to many, many tragic, unwanted, and sometimes devastating situations. A parent normally loves their own child enough they don't want to help them down a possible path of hurt.

Bobby, I applaud your wisdom.
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 Posted 10/15/2016  04:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joeysanders627 to your friends list
I have the Red Cross and FEMA at my motels right now, along with many families who are living on my property because they have no power in their homes. Because of that, I did not respond right away to Earle's comments.


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Just one of the things I made sure my kids were not exposed to was the very thing being discussed here. Hormones raging are the hardest things for youth to deal with responsibly when it is their time in life to do so. Premature exposure incites curiosity that most often leads to many, many tragic, unwanted, and sometimes devastating situations.


Explain Europe then. I've been to over sixty countries in my life. Some of those countries have nudity on their daytime soap operas. Of course, Europe has a plethora of nude beaches where children are allowed. Guess what? It has not lead to a number devastating situations or tragedies. Looking at the human body does not cause those things to happen.

What does then? Quite simply, it is images of violence which are found mainly on our televisions. Also, it can be the violence that children witness in a dysfunctional home.

I have no reason not to believe what you are saying when you talk about the great parenting you exposed your children too. You did your job right, because you were a true leader to your children. They can look up to you and be proud. I guarantee you that you probably kept them away from images of violence and you are not in a violent relationship with your spouse. That aided your children in becoming the good and productive members of our society you claim them to be.

My thing is that children are not going to be coming to this site for viewing images of nudity. It just won't happen. I don't see it. There are way too many other outlets for that than a coin forum. I don't feel there needs to be a ban on it. Obviously, Bobby disagrees with me and this is his site. So be it.


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When you ask if anyone else disagrees with any policies and even use this guy => , how else am I supposed to take it?


I meant for it to signify people conjuring up ideas to make the site better. I guess you saw it as a cauldron of evil.

That it's for this topic. I'm moving on.



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 Posted 10/15/2016  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list

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Explain Europe then. I've been to over sixty countries in my life. Some of those countries have nudity on their daytime soap operas. Of course, Europe has a plethora of nude beaches where children are allowed. Guess what? It has not lead to a number devastating situations or tragedies. Looking at the human body does not cause those things to happen.


We're not banning nudity on coins here. Did you read the topic you linked to?
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 Posted 10/15/2016  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fioti to your friends list
I'ts not the nudity that bugs me, it's when someone posts in B/S/T and their piece is nit-picked.
I've seen this a few times, and unfortunately, I cant smack the nay-sayer upside the head.
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 Posted 10/15/2016  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list

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Explain Europe then

Very simple.

When you are old enough to remember the American society that was produced by people self imposing responsibility for their own actions and self restraint (oh no - that politically incorrect word "morality"), then you can remember an America where the society was a lot less riddled with crime in all areas.

I agree the violence also has contributed. The baser emotions of anger and lust work together to produce a society which comparatively has come to a comparatively sorry state.

Although Americans did not look down on other cultures, the other cultures, for the most part, were comparatively more riddled with crime, (not trying to wax political here - just stating facts), abortion, etc. As a simple example, I remember my first trip to Europe, one of the things we were told was to make sure you did not put your wallet in your back pocket b/c it would not last long there. I had never heard this in the US (or Canada) when growing up. In other words, comparatively speaking with the rest of the world, Americans was seen as decent, honest, the most charitable people ever, and our society was deemed desireable. Back then people would say America did not have loose standards and so was able to have such a society.

Mayberry RFD was not just a show. And despite what modern media will tell you... Mayberry RFD was a typical US town... not a pipe dream. I lived it as did my parents an my grandparents (and not all in the same geographic location).

Our societies percentage of lust related crimes has proportionality skyrocketed since more "loose" standards have become normal. Unwanted children are disposed before they are born (not being political - just stating a fact related to a more "open" culture in this area).

Nowadays you cannot be on the TV for 5 minutes without some sexual innuendo being thrown in your face. Our society is obsessed with the subject. The societal structure of (comparatively from 50-60 years ago) of broken families, divorces, abortions, etc. is a direct result. Solid marriages and homes are now rare like divorce etc. was before we decided to change to this more "accepting" standard.

If John Doe really thinks a high school boy can see something they should not, and that somehow for a politically correct reason the brain inside that boy will not allow the raging hormones to surface and influence his thoughts ans sometimes actions, then John Doe might be interested in a bridge in Brooklyn. My life was spent with high school kids. Some of the discussions they have concerning adults are very interesting. The kids know what they think when they see these things. And since high schoolers have a wonderful way of being brutally honest, they don't beat around the bush over it.

As said, the reality of allowing this subject to be seen as something to be proudly displayed, despite PC desires, has brought about a society where our traditional family units have been sacrificed on the altar of hedonism. Our kids, as always, are the victims.

Yes, there may be some people who only can see the artistic form of such things. But, as can be proven also by the internet, the majority of people do not ascribe this subject matter to art. f we want to help our kids be the best they can, we will hold to the time proven standards which made America great. I am not saying the standards are just American, I am saying the standards we adopted led to what America once was before it became the hedonistic society we live in.

Hope all this flows - oncoming migraine...

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 Posted 10/15/2016  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joeysanders627 to your friends list

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Did you read the topic you linked to?


Yes. I was trying to not go into details about certain things. People will get what I am trying to say. Thanks for allowing the debate Bobby.
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 Posted 10/15/2016  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list
We're on page 2 now, how long before locking this thread...

I have 4 grandchildren, the oldest calling multi-struck coins "Broken Coins" when she was around 4 years old, and wanting to know why they were broken..

I prefer this type of questioning over having to explain to her an acceptable answer should she view some "R" rated tokens (anyone remember the Arkansas State Quarter over stamped to reference a past Presidents Administration) if CCF allowed this type of posting..

When it comes to Artistic Portraits on Coins/Medals, where is the Line Drawn on what's acceptable & what's not, and who makes the final decision..

I think this would open up a can of worms and push members away..
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 Posted 10/16/2016  05:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dd27 to your friends list
For what it's worth, I agree with joeysanders627, and I did not see anything in his post that made me think he was trying to start trouble. On the contrary, he bent over backwards to word his post carefully, politely, and in a balanced manner.

Having said that, this is not my forum, so I accept the rules as written and agree that there is probably not a better solution than the current policy, all things considered.

~ Mark
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