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How Much Gold Is Numismstic?

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 Posted 10/19/2016  11:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Debrajc to your friends list

I have never weighed mine either Buddy

Maybe 5 oz. or close to it anyway.
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 Posted 10/20/2016  01:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list

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Not much. Most is held by various nations including their central banks and major private banks. Of course the paper gold market is far larger than the physical amount in existence.
This.

Of course, much of the various banks' gold stashes is in form of assorted coins. But there's a lot of bars too (especially for the larger amounts).
And of course a big fraction of the gold that is not held up in banks is not coins, but assorted jewelry (rings, chains and the like).
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 Posted 10/20/2016  02:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Typically, around 2,500 tonnes of newly mined gold is produced each year.

Somehting like triple of that is recycled from existing old gold.

I would think that only a tiny proportion of the typical total of 10,000 tonnes would be produced into new gold coins.

Lots of gold coins get melted down every year to be made into all sorts of new gold products, including coins.
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 Posted 10/20/2016  03:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chute72 to your friends list

I highly recommend people take a look at his chart (too big to show here) and you will see why some people are stackers.

http://money.visualcapitalist.com/a...sualization/
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 Posted 10/20/2016  05:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list

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I highly recommend people take a look at his chart (too big to show here) and you will see why some people are stackers.
I don't believe this chart, it says that there's several times as much above-ground gold as there is silver.

(If that is actually true... I'm definitely buying silver while I can still afford it.)
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 Posted 10/20/2016  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scarp9603 to your friends list
https://books.google.com/books?id=m...nage&f=false

"8.3. Total gold coins minted worldwide since the beginning of time as a percentage of all gold ever mined: 4.66"

Is this correct?
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 Posted 10/20/2016  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list

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"8.3. Total gold coins minted worldwide since the beginning of time as a percentage of all gold ever mined: 4.66"

Is this correct?

That the total amount of gold coins ever made comes out to ~5 times as much gold as there was ever mined?
Looks plausible; a lot of gold coins were made of melted down earlier coins (and/or jewelry, which was itself in turn often made of melted down gold coins).

However, I have no idea where they got the figure involved that precisely (though it could easily just be the result of dividing 140 by 30, or other similar proportional amounts, without paying much attention to the error bars).
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 Posted 10/20/2016  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
I think Scarp's original question was about the percentage of gold in collector's hands, i.e. coins with numismatic value. I don't think the reference was to investor holdings, central bank piles, or jewelry.
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 Posted 10/20/2016  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collects82 to your friends list
I have about 0.25 oz in my collection plus a few grams in various old home electronics. :)
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10/20/2016 6:43 pm
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 Posted 10/20/2016  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Steele to your friends list

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it says that there's several times as much above-ground gold as there is silver.


I believe that's several times the value, although I trust no one.
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 Posted 10/20/2016  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list
I don't see how that chart is correct ..

I don't think anyone could guess how much gold is in
collectors hands.

I don't think anyone could guess how much gold has been hidden/buried though out history.

As for modern gold .. Eagles .. maple leaf... etc.
I guess a guess could be made there ..
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 Posted 10/21/2016  02:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list

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I believe that's several times the value, although I trust no one.

The chart says there's several hundred times the value, and though the numbers are disguised (by measuring silver in ounces and gold in tons), dividing by the ratio of prices (which is per ounce in both cases) gives ~5 times as much gold as silver.

Though it could be because it measures more narrowly than "above ground" (it's true that a lot of silver is stuck in assorted industrial uses where it's not cost-effective to recycle, and perhaps silver utensils also play a role).
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 Posted 10/21/2016  04:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scarp9603 to your friends list
I thought 8.3 means the total amount of gold coins ever made is only 4.66 PERCENT of all the gold ever mined.
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10/21/2016 04:46 am
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 Posted 11/20/2017  5:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scarp9603 to your friends list
"after the government had officially bought up all privately held gold, the Treasury estimated that there was still some $287 million worth of gold coins in private hands."

At $20.67/ounce,
that would be about
14 million troy ounces,
worth about $19 Billion today

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-e...2-story.html
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11/20/2017 10:30 pm
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 Posted 08/28/2019  4:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scarp9603 to your friends list
https://www.usagold.com/cpmforum/go...eizure-ganz/

How-Much-Gold-Is-Numismstic?

This would mean about 155 million ounces of old U.S. gold coins are still in private hands.
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08/29/2019 2:30 pm
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