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What Exactly Is "An Error"?

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 Posted 11/06/2016  7:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list
Be mindful as well that an 'error' can be repeated across many coins struck in sequence ... they do not have to be specific to a single coin struck.

Multiple coin errors could include die breakage causing Cud on many coins until the die is replaced ... die cracks that progress from bad to worse ... capped die strikes that occur until the die cap is removed, etc.

Single coin errors could be clipped planchets, defective planchets, etc.

What I've come to understand has already been stated above ... quite simply a variety is made by the design of the die ... an error is made by the minting process.

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 Posted 11/06/2016  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list
By the time you get ten replies you'll probably have ten slightly different answers. In my opinion, errors are unintentional. Varieties are repeated. There is such a thing as a Variety/Error, but it has to be exactly the same on each coin.
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 Posted 11/06/2016  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Copperround to your friends list
All good answers. I'm commenting so I can easily find this topic!
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 Posted 11/07/2016  10:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
A coin struck multiple times.
Yes with one small exception, several collector coins are deliberately struck multiple times.

A coin struck on the wrong planchet.
Yes that is an error.

A doubled die (like 1955, or 1972 cents).
No this is OT an error coin, it is a die variety. The DIE is an error, the coins are not.

Is a blank planchet an error?
No, it is exactly what it is supposed to be. It just shouldn't have gotten out.

Is a grease filled strike an error?
I would say yes, because every one is a little different, even from the same die pair.

Is a strike through a foreign object an error?
Yes, because once again they are all different.

Is a coin with "trails" an error?
No, the trails are a result of cleaing/polishing of the die. It would be a die stage.

Is a clipped planchet an error?
Yes, either a clipped planchet or a coin struck on a clipped planchet.

Is a die break (crack) an error?
No, it is a die stage. (Ever coin is a variety, the product of a given pair of dies. If the dies crack or break they are still the same dies and the same variety, just a later die stage.)
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 Posted 11/07/2016  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list

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Is a coin with "trails" an error?
No, the trails are a result of cleaing/polishing of the die. It would be a die stage.

You may want to re-read Origin of Trails. Trail Dies are one of the Variety/Errors I referred to. They are unintentionally put on the die as it's being made.
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 Posted 11/07/2016  1:44 pm  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list
So, probably more than half of ebay listings with "error" in the title are not actually errors?

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 Posted 11/07/2016  2:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add clairhardesty to your friends list
What if you have (possibly) the only coin to escape the mint that was struck with a brand new die that had a severe manufacturing error? It is caused by a die defect (variety) but is a one of its kind coin (error). http://www.error-ref.com/2011-02-14/

Is this an error coin, or a variety discovery coin, or just a variety? It has been six years since first reported and no other coins struck with this die have surfaced.
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 Posted 11/07/2016  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
It is from a die, but I wouldn't call it a variety. The event that made this is not from a hubbing issue, or a mint mark punching issue. More like a die gouge or some event that created that on the die. If the die were polished, it could come off the die. While a variety is set deeper into the die.
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 Posted 11/07/2016  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list

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So, probably more than half of ebay listings with "error" in the title are not actually errors?

Yes. But this is primarily because there is the perception amongst those on the numismatic fringe that "errors are valuable". So people with something weird happening on their coin will call it an "error", because they think they will get more money for it that way.
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 Posted 11/07/2016  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Also for search purposes, they may include variety and error because someone may search using one term or the other.
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 Posted 11/07/2016  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list
Here's a error (double struck) on a 1998 Type 2 ( Wide AM)
Reverse that I originally submitted to PCI as a double strike error before Coin World published the Type 2 Reverse Variety..

I'm guessing it was about 15 years ago when I crossed it over to ANACS and have yet to find a 2nd example..

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 Posted 11/07/2016  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bigchip22 to your friends list
if only I could have some luck like that nice coin.
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 Posted 11/08/2016  12:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list

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Also for search purposes, they may include variety and error because someone may search using one term or the other.

Exactly Coop! Also ebay doesn't offer a Variety category so a lot of Varieties are called Errors.
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 Posted 11/08/2016  01:20 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
The title of an ebay listing is not a description of the item (there is a large space provided for that). The title is a series of words that gives a good idea of what the item is while putting in enough key words that people searching will find that particular item.

Another parallel example is using the term "wheat penny." True, they are cents not pennies but people search for pennies far more than cents, so not putting penny in the title would be costing you potential buyers.

But there is a line where someone is purposefully misleading in the title. For example, using the phrase "key date" for every cent no matter the date on the end of a "shotgun" roll for sale.

So while errors and varieties are different things, to most folks and as noted ebay itself, there are just errors. Thus my opinion is that you should put a variety coin in the category "errors," and use the word "error" in the title if you wish, while keeping the description as accurate as possible to the item at hand.
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 Posted 11/08/2016  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add clairhardesty to your friends list
Broken-Coin, looks like you have an example of a coin that is both a variety (uniquely identifiable die) and an error (double struck), super nice find, best of both worlds!
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