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1983 Penny Error. Need Help Identifying Please.

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 Posted 01/28/2017  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Druu to your friends list
The holes that appear to show zinc oxide in the middle of the 8 is what leads me to that guess. I've seen cents with a few holes, and coins with them speckled all over. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me will weigh in soon.
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 Posted 01/28/2017  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
to CCF. It looks like zinc rot to me. Very common on the zincolns.
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 Posted 01/28/2017  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cwb to your friends list
It does look like a B!

I think it is coincidence that it looks like a letter. I think it is what we commonly call Zinc rot.
If you look closely, you can see at least three different areas that appear to be rotting away, causing the Copper plating to rise from the surface.
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 Posted 01/28/2017  4:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EddieCRH to your friends list
Thanks to all the replies. I will take a few more pics front and back and post asap.
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 Posted 01/28/2017  5:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EddieCRH to your friends list


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 Posted 01/28/2017  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list
wit da rot!
Now, try a science experiment. 1) Bury it in your garden next to a bush. 2) Wait 2 years, 3 months and twelve days. 3) Now see if it is still there. My bets are the minute you try to pick it up, it will crumble into nothingness, if that doesn't happen,contact me for a refund.
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 Posted 01/28/2017  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EddieCRH to your friends list
Ok. Since the majority think it is rot. How can I be sure if it is or isn't? I did take another penny and put alot of pressure on the area. It is solid as far as I can tell. Not sure how rot can appear into a perfect "8" or a "B" !!
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 Posted 01/29/2017  12:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list
Hey Eddie, rot forms under the thin copper layer of the "zincoln" caused by may ways. If the plating is split, say around the letter "N" microscoptically, air and other corrosive elements invade causing chemical reactions. This action, like rusting can be hard and solid. Quite possibly this coin came in contact with an object in the shape of the 8(another coin?) or a random object/multiple hits causing the plating to lose adherence to the zic below in such a shape, which is now filled with corrosion...long answer, hope it makes sense!
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 Posted 01/29/2017  01:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cwb to your friends list
You could try to clean it up a little, just to know for sure.
Try rinsing it off with some water to clean as much loose dirt away as you can. Then pat it dry and soak it in some 100% Acetone over night and see if that will help remove any more gunk from around the area it question.
After you get it cleaned up a little, post some more images and we will take another look at it.
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 Posted 01/29/2017  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
When you look into the centers of that area, you can see where the plating was split. Not the zinc rot is causing the edges of the area to rise. SO it is related to a plating error. If it were a dropped letter, then this would be sunk into the coin. Beings it is raised, where are the other letters that should be present if it were a double struck issue. So by ruling out what legit errors it could be and going with what can be seen it is a split plating issue with zinc rot causing the issue for form on your coin.
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 Posted 01/29/2017  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EddieCRH to your friends list
Thanks for all the comments. This does clear it up for me. It just looked strange and had me excited for a minute. Guess it will go back to the bank and I will get some more to look through. Thanks again $or the help. Will continue to search for sure :)
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 Posted 01/29/2017  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Druu to your friends list
Always keep searching, Eddie! There's always fun, new stuff to find. I can't take pictures worth a damn, but I've got lamination errors and die cracks from my last batch to share!
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 Posted 01/29/2017  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EddieCRH to your friends list
Thanks druu. Yea, I haven't been searching long but I'm addicted. I will keep searching pennies for a while for sure. I still haven't found an Indian Head so I'm looking forward to that. I also keep looking for any errors too. It's fun for me that's for sure.
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 Posted 01/30/2017  01:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dtl to your friends list
I will be the newbie with fresh eyes and limited knowledge commenting on this one .... I also thought dropped letter( witch I just heard of yesterday) but with Coop's explanation that it should not be raised, it is not so...... I will go out on a limb here though, and say the shape of either a B or an 8 is way to coincidental. A broken die fragment (actual B OR 8) (retained dropped letter) if you will, in the coin and covered with a copper layer to make it seem part of the planchet .. one could hope lol! Even if it is "zinc rot" Very cool find! what does it weigh?

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 Posted 01/30/2017  02:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cwb to your friends list

Quote:
A broken die fragment (actual B OR 8) (retained dropped letter) if you will, in the coin and covered with a copper layer to make it seem part of the planchet .


This cannot happen because the planchets are plated with Copper before they are struck.
To go even farther, the US cent planchets aren't even made at the mint. They are made elsewhere and brought to the mint to be made into coins.
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