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Should I Submit Thi 1832 Bust 50 Cents To PCGS W/O Getting Details-Cleaning

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 Posted 02/15/2017  06:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew99 to your friends list
Lots of hairlines in the fields. This is not normal for a 200 year old XF. Its been cleaned and will details.
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 Posted 02/15/2017  07:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gmwatson to your friends list
I agree with the group. It will get a details - cleaned grade from PCGS. If you can see hairlines in the photo, they'll be very evident when viewing with a loupe. Nice coin though, but I wouldn't pay for grading unless your okay with such a grade given that's probably what you'll receive.
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 Posted 02/15/2017  07:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list
Your coin has been cleaned. It seems deceitfut to try and get a problem-free grade out of it.


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The experts will SURELY pick it if it has been cleane


Not necessarily. I have seen coins with a much harsher cleaning in straight holders, especially with pre-Barber coins. It has gotten to the point that their opinion of originality is almost worthless.
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 Posted 02/15/2017  11:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
It's been cleaned. Notice the remaining shadows in the tight areas of the design elements that the dip and rub didn't get to. Not a submitter in my opinion.
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 Posted 02/15/2017  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin197 to your friends list
It has been cleaned. If it did get put in a straight holder, I wouldn't even buy it.
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 Posted 02/15/2017  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list
The coin appears to have been cleaned. I have gotten the details cleaning bug on a couple coins that I have submitted. Sometimes the cleaning can be difficult to identify in hand.
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 Posted 02/15/2017  1:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add billjones to your friends list
My advice to the collector is buy the coin in the holder you want and don't try submitting raw coins on your own. Most of the worthwhile classic coins have already been graded; much of what is left will not grade.

If you are a dealer, that's another story, but to be a successful dealer, you need to learn what's good and what is not.
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 Posted 02/15/2017  1:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add billjones to your friends list

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The coin appears to have been cleaned. I have gotten the details cleaning bug on a couple coins that I have submitted. Sometimes the cleaning can be difficult to identify in hand.


And sometimes a coin will be declared "cleaned" on submission and get a straight grade the next time around. It takes an expert to decide if a coin is worth a second shot.

I once had an 1839-O half dollar declared "cleaned" by NGC. I knew that all that had been done to the coin was a dip, so I sent it to PCGS. They graded it AU-58.

A bunch of hairlines going in one direction are the killer however. If you see those, chances are it will never grade.
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 Posted 02/15/2017  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
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 Posted 02/15/2017  5:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdmern to your friends list
From the photos, this does not look like it is worth the shot, it seems like a pretty clear 'Cleaning xx Details' piece
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 Posted 02/21/2017  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jolteon1698 to your friends list
Looks cleaned
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 Posted 02/21/2017  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew99 to your friends list
This coin probably looks worse in hand. The hairlines barely photograph, but if you can see them in the picture, they will be really obvious. Don't send it in.
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 Posted 02/21/2017  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
Have seen classic type coins get passes on cleaning from top tier TPGs, but I'd never be that fortunate. Yours would most likely get a details designation.
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 Posted 02/21/2017  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Debrajc to your friends list
I agree with the others. The hairlines are evident in your
photo so they will be obvious under the 10 X magnification.
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 Posted 02/22/2017  02:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fathead 5 to your friends list
Concur with all the other opinions; harshly cleaned, and will get a "details" grade.
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