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Bedrock of the Community
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Maybe only 264,000 coins were "officially" released, a figure that excluded damaged examples and those handed out to political figures and dignitaries as the "first year of issue" of the new design.
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Maybe they know they did not completely "use out" the fourth die set and the average was based on actual mintage from the first three sets.
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Valued Member
United States
321 Posts |
Who cares? It's still a common coin that just sells for high prices because of high demand nontheless.
PCGS Coinfacts estimates 10000 exist. I wonder how they came up with such a round number...
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Am I missing something?
Is there something that states that mintage is tied to die life?
I would think mintage would be more tied to how many are requested. Or maybe availability of blank planchets.
It is hard for me to imagine a mint employee would be given some die's, go make some coins.
It makes more since to me, something like this.
We have order/request for 264,000 dimes. Work on dimes today.
But than ... I am guessing the experts have more knowledge of how the Mint operations work.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Logically, it would seem the extras were destroyed... they may have been defective, or whatever. It's only 1.3% of the total produced... I think it would only matter to the most dedicated Mercury dime historians.
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Pillar of the Community
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I think it was terminated prematurely to the actual figure, remember reading that at the time the Denver Mint was focusing on other denominations.
Publishing is a good example, there's always spoilage around 3% and depending on the quantities ordered, it can be more or less. Don't expect that the die life can produce exact quantities just because its the average, the plant manager may have received a order for the total number requested, and this will usually be point percentage over the actual mintage. The rest will get "Recycled".
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Pillar of the Community
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Lets look at this from a purly mechanical point of view. You are the coiner and the Mint Director has asked you to give him the average die life from a quality control point of view. You take the number of coins minted and divide it by the number of dies. Simple. Done. Are you really going to go through some complicated process to come up with the number? Granted there is going to be "shrinkage". I think that is the point. I know that in some years the produced coins until they ran out of metal. It says that in the Mint Directors report. I believe what happens is that they produce coins until the supply of planchets runs out and they then take a round number when making their report knowing that there will be shrinkage. One interesting thing is the annual report of coins on hand" it is always a round number. From readings and research we know that people could buy them directly from the cashiers window at the mint, in amounts from ONE to as much as they could cart away. Mention is made that when the new cents came out ( LWC) some people were restricted to three, and then one coin each. Yet, the numbers on hand, with one exepcetion each year, are always even numbers ending in "OOO". I suspect that the amount of coins left over after bagging, ended up in the cashiers account. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that mintage figures are rounded down to, at least, the nearest 1000, as a "net" figure.
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Pillar of the Community
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If you can prove that there's an extra 3K plus 1916D minted, history will stay with the 264K figure as stated.
That would be quite a challenge, and will have to change everything!
Edited by macmercury 03/05/2017 4:55 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Does the overage in minting allow for misstruck coins, rejects, etc. that might have gone back to be melted and restruck?
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Valued Member
United States
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I think it's safe to say that the best answer to this question would be a reliable guess at best. The mint workers who published that estimate that year, or that mintage amount that year are likely hard to contact without some kind of seance. Although I agree that for historic curiosity sake, it'd be interesting to know the answer, I think it may be more frustrating than it's worth to debate the possibilities.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Must agree. All in, tough date. 
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Valued Member
United States
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IMO, this is an effort in futility. The RedBook I'm looking at says the mintage of 1916-D coins was 264,000. I don't have the Mint Report here. The estimated number of strikes from a die in Denver during 1916 means nothing as far as the actual number of coins struck. Additionally, the average number of coins struck from a die has no relation to any number of coins struck from each die.
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Pillar of the Community
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First this is not an ESTIMATE. This is the official number of peices struck per die. I have verified this by looking at each years reports and corrolating them. Second, yes, it is the gross amount, before all the QC rejects are taken out. Third; all the amounts by the branch mint are in an even number. Even though it says that coins were minted till they ran out of bronze, or silver, or gold. Fourth; the numbers are suprisingly wrong in some instances. For instance the OFFICIAL number of LWC peices struck at SF for 1918 were more than 187K than the submitted mintage. Lastly, how do you think that the RedBook, et al got their numbers? By looking at the official mintages for each Calander Year in the Mint Directors Report. All I'm doing is taking an in depth look at things that everyone assumes because the " RedBook"" says it is so. Anyway, this is all research for a book, and I don't really want to publish too much on a free forum. Sometimes...things change.
Edited by jmkendall 03/05/2017 11:29 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hold on! So you're stating that the numbers are mostly inaccurate in the Red Book, and the Mint Director Report are off? But before the QC rejects are taken out, so I can say that the 1916D dime has over 3K rejects, and the 1918 SF LWC has at least 187K rejects, is that correct?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I doubt that most of the amounts minted of any coin is just an approximate. And as to the 16D Mercury dime, thanks to the Chinese, the amount minted is now about 100 million. 
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