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Pillar of the Community
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Great discussion - and one that comes up in my line of work from time to time so I'll throw in my limited understanding of this complex topic. Sorry to say coffeegod that you are incorrect on this one - simply referencing the item is not the same as getting permission to republish the document. Under the fair use laws, you CAN reproduce short parts of a book or other copyrighted information for educational purposes. Like when a teacher hands out a packet of information taken from published sources. This use is OK in small groups but does NOT apply to the internet where anyone can read it. For this kind of use you must secure permission from the copyright holder (who may or may not be the author). This generally involves filling out a form and, someitmes, paying a small fee for use. Bill is 100% correct, the original author cannot grant you copyright. In fact, if the the original author signs over the copyright, they need to request permission before republishing.  This site has more information that you'll probably ever want: https://www.copyright.comBut back to the coins. amac are they out of their oil bath and ready to have they photos taken? 
Edited by patrick 04/14/2008 07:29 am
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Pillar of the Community
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Moral to the story is simply not to publish information directly from books or other websites without direct written permission. This is what copyright laws are for.
Anyone who has gone through the thousands of hours and thousands of dollars in expense it takes to write a book or publish a website would appreciate and respect the law governing this area. Publishing this information is hard work.
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Well CC if you want get down to law's that banners of metals is real against the law Only US service men & woman who have been given then can display them and I am 100% sure you were not given them. I was awarded 4 of them and I know you were not even born for some of the ones you display *In short you are disgracing the men&woman who have be awarded them
Edited by amac44 04/14/2008 2:04 pm
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Valued Member
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Look.... not to get into a heated debate again but, Patrick I know my English & Journalism Laws. Here's a couple of references to educate you. 1. Here's a good Reference Law & Regulation site. http://www.usq.edu.au/library/help/.../default.htma. quote another person word for word (direct quotation). It doesn't matter whether it is a phrase, sentence or paragraph, you will need to provide a reference from which it was taken. b. paraphrase or summarise. Ideas or data obtained from another writer must be referenced even if you have changed the wording and/or content c. use statistics. (eg population) d. use tables, figures, diagrams and appendices. The source of these must be acknowledged unless they are entirely from your own research work. e. use controversial facts, opinions, or a date which might be challenged. However, information of a general nature such as facts which are common knowledge eg the years of World War II do not need to be referenced. 2. Here's the UALR site. http://www.ualr.edu/copyright/articles/?ID=13I understand what your trying to say, but I'm sorry.... your wrong. It's not really a black & white area, there are overlapping principles involved. Amac..... I'm glad someone said something. I served five & took a few for my country which is where I'll stop. The only thing I can say though, is every soldier has their own story.
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Forum Dad
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coffeegod, you're referencing academic sites dealing with the writing of academic papers. It's got nothing to do with what's going on here.
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Valued Member
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Bobby...... I'm just responding like everyone else.... as well as responding to a previous comment made toward my first reply. It does apply.
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Very true bobby its seam like anything I post 2 folks just jump me!
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Valued Member
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As to the original post..... just how rare is this Variety... since it's up for debate and so forth..... 47 years worth of searching is a long time.....
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Forum Dad
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You can look up almost any book on Google and see chunks reprinted word for word with credit given. I find it difficult to believe that an entire team of Google lawyers didn't investigate this thoroughly first. Have a look.** Please note that I'm not saying I agree with this. It would certainly appear though that quoting excerpts with credit sure doesn't seem to be a legal issue.
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Valued Member
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Ok enough of the reference wars.... not just a google, thing... just happened to be accessible... there are thousands of prints..... Anyway to the original post and the forum key points..... I'm here to further my coin & variety education as with everyone else.
Edited by coffeegod 04/14/2008 2:09 pm
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Member
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I know 47yr is a long time but this is a very rare die to find in Bu or Au and thats the only way you can sure its it
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Me to but some seam to hinder it!
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Pillar of the Community
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I'm sorry amac, I didn't mean to "jump on" anyone. I was just expressing my agreement with some others about copyright laws - a topic I find very interesting and deal with on a regular basis. coffeegod you should re-read the text of the second link you posted (second paragraph below bullets). It makes it clear that posting a digital file constitutes making multiple copies and sharing them and is in violation with copyright laws. This can have implications in a public forum like this one. And Dad, you're 100% correct about google and their lawyers. That's why under publisher information it clearly states that the material was reproduced with permission.  amac, I'd love to see photos of the coins you've found.
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Pillar of the Community
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Just adding one thing to the copyright issue. Coffegod, what you referenced is the use of small quotations or paraphrasing of previously published works which when done under certain guidelines is permissible. What you referenced has nothing to do with taking material directly from a book in a copied form for publication in another book or on the internet.
If for example, AMAC put a picture of his own coin up there and paraphrased the section from the Whitman book there would be no problems.
Copying directly, images or text from a published source without the permission of the publisher is illegal. Plain and simple. That's what the copyright protection is all about.
I am a choir director and we even have to get permissions from the publisher of our hymnal to make copies of music therein if we need more copies.
You are just not correct in this.
Also, The fact that the breaking of copyright laws is done all the time all over the place especially on the internet does not make it legal. It only makes it an illegal activity that is being gotten away with.
My point was not to argue whether or not it happens. My point is that it is illegal.
Thanks, Bill
Edited by foundinrolls 04/14/2008 5:10 pm
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