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Accidentally Convinced A Dealer That A Rare Silver Coin Was Aluminium

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 Posted 05/02/2017  08:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list

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How much was he asking for this one originally?
About $9, as it happens (I'm rounding the amounts a bit - it was really 500 rubles), so I guess I might just make up the difference to that


Originally, there was a line of 5 coins, clearly all of similar origin, priced for 500 rubles (~$9) each.

I bought the pentagonal 1/8 riyal because I wanted a pentagonal coin and wanted a Yemenite states coin and this was both, and then next week I bought the huge 1/2 riyal because it was large and silver (but it turned out to also have an obvious removed mount, which I didn't immediately notice when I bought it).
The other three stayed there for the next five weeks or so, while I occasionally visited the dealer for more picking from his excellent 30 ruble (~$0.5) bargain bin.

On Friday, I finally received the money I was supposed to earn way back in November.
Just as I planned, on Sunday, I came to a nearby store for a Liechtenstein coin I wanted, but upon arrival I unexpectedly found out that the coin had since been sold.
So I suddenly ended up with $40-ish of extra spending money.

Anyway, I go to the place with the bargain bin, get a few coins from the bin (it had mostly been picked out, so there's not much still left) and a few cool commemorative crowns (mostly from random minor British territories).
The dealer still wants to sell me the Yemenite coins, because nobody else appears to be any interested in them, so he says that I can have two for 500 rubles (this comes out to something like $4.4 per coin, which is what I rounded down to $4 in the OP).

Now, due to a misinterpretation of the catalog (and because it looked so different from the worn silvers nearby), I was under the impression that this particular silver coin was aluminium (as I mentioned in the OP) since pretty much the first time I saw that bunch.
So I said as much to the dealer, and he said that he could give it to me for an extra 100 rubles (a bit under $2).

Anyway, I bought the coin, came home, tried to attribute it, and finally realized that it was, in fact, silver and just that good.
At which point I started the thread (because I really had no idea what to do).


...Sorry for such a large explanation.

TL/DR - I guess I should just give him the extra 400 rubles and explain that the coin was, in fact, silver. Will try to do just this on Saturday (his shop won't be open until then).
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 Posted 05/02/2017  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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I guess I should just give him the extra 400 rubles and explain that the coin was, in fact, silver. Will try to do just this on Saturday (his shop won't be open until then).
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 Posted 05/02/2017  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Looks like a Y5.5 AH1362/44 My older KM catalog shows $40 in XF and typically available for less retail. I'd say you have a coin worth about $20 or so.

Not sure why you thought it might be aluminium. Yemen didn't strike aluminum till thirty years later and none of them look anything like this coin.
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 Posted 05/02/2017  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list

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Not sure why you thought it might be aluminium. Yemen didn't strike aluminum till thirty years later and none of them look anything like this coin.
I will have to respectfully disagree: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces63082.html

EDIT: I mean, sure, the size is wrong, and there are other telltale differences if you know where to look, but Numista pictures don't show scale, and I didn't look that carefully.
And the time difference isn't anywhere near 30 years, either.
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I guess I should just give him the extra 400 rubles and explain that the coin was, in fact, silver. Will try to do just this on Saturday (his shop won't be open until then).


I agree with you and jbuck.

Regardless of what the coin is actually worth, that's the price the dealer wanted and you still got a good buy. That is what cherry pickers hope to find and the dealer priced it so he would make a profit.

Let us know how it goes on Saturday. Once that is over, you can look at those coins and really enjoy owning them.
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 Posted 05/03/2017  08:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
You're right I missed that one. Design is similar and they only miss overlapping by 8 years. And it looks like the inscription in the outermost cresent is completely different.
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 Posted 05/06/2017  2:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list
In case you wanted to know how this ended...

I went to the dealer today and explained that the coin was, in fact, silver. At which point he told me that in that case it was a bonus for me, and that he didn't pay that much for it, anyway.

I proceeded to further confirm that the poor guy wouldn't know a rare silver coin if it hit him, by cherrypicking him out of a semi-key 1901-O Barber quarter (for a price that barely qualified as junk silver).
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 Posted 05/06/2017  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buddy to your friends list
Good for you.

It seems to me that you have a great place to cherry pick coins. The dealer must have bought a lot of coins are a very good price which is good for you as a customer.
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 Posted 05/07/2017  12:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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The dealer must have bought a lot of coins are a very good price which is good for you as a customer.
I agree. Seems like a good place to continue to visit.
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 Posted 05/21/2017  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ricardo Hinds to your friends list
This is something I worry about as well. I don't want to accidentally cheat someone, but at the same time I don't necessarily want to pay fees for appraisals or guidance.

I feel like worst case I would just refund whoever I sold it too though, but I'm not sure if there are any legal precedents on people being fined or charged with something for accidentally selling fake coins.
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 Posted 05/22/2017  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuffaloNuts to your friends list
I kept seeing the years 1337-1366, and was impressed that such an old coin could be so affordable. Then I wondered how they could make coins out of aluminum in the 14th century when aluminum wasn't isolated until the mid 1800's... that's when I realized they use a different calendar! cool coin!
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 Posted 05/23/2017  03:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list
Medieval coins aren't that expensive if you know what to look for and/or don't have a problem with really low grades.
Though yeah, you aren't very likely to find a 14th century coin for $2 (you'd get plenty of 4th century coins for this price, mind you, but 14th is trickier; in fact I'm still missing the 14th century in my "a coin from each century" set attempt).

But this one is legitimately 20th century (even if it might not look the part).
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 Posted 04/26/2022  2:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list

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Apparently my example is Y#5.5, 1364/43
Five years later, I can confirm that it's 1364/43 at least by NGC standards - their example is an exact die match to my coin!

(Comparing the images, I believe NGC might actually be wrong in the attribution, but I'm not entirely confident. It doesn't look like 1364/42 exists, but there's an 1362/44, which I can't rule out.)


My coin...
Accidentally-Convinced-A-Dealer-That-A-Rare-Silver-Coin-Was-Aluminium Accidentally-Convinced-A-Dealer-That-A-Rare-Silver-Coin-Was-Aluminium

NGC 1364/43 (as can be seen here), graded AU-53...
Accidentally-Convinced-A-Dealer-That-A-Rare-Silver-Coin-Was-Aluminium Accidentally-Convinced-A-Dealer-That-A-Rare-Silver-Coin-Was-Aluminium

(I couldn't find the cert, but there's only one coin of anything resembling this date in the census and it's an AU-53.)
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 Posted 04/27/2022  08:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slerk to your friends list
It's cool that you still have the coin and it reminds you of a successful purchase.
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