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My first suggestion is to start using the "pencil & paper" icon at the top of your posts to edit your most recent post instead of creating a string of posts with no one else posting in between. This can be seen as artificially inflating your post count. Wow, how many times did I just say post?  Also, I humbly suggest getting a clear understanding of the types of doubling that can be found on coins. Machine Doubling (MD, aka Mechanical Doubling & Machine Damage) is often mistaken for a true Doubled Die. There are ways to distinguish the two, as well as Die Deterioration Doubling ( DDD) that are very clear in most cases. Also, the three types can be combined on the same coin in various ways. 
In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020 In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020 In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
Edited by spru 07/06/2017 03:15 am
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Well thank you very much spruett001. But just as a heads up . Before I make any post . I first do lots of research on the different variations of doubled dies and Machine Doubling first. And then when I cant find any that are similar MD like this one I then share them with all my CC experts in hopes of finding similar finds . None of which I've found so far unfortunately. Such as the triple MD ?
Edited by Hardfinds80 07/06/2017 01:14 am
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There's a reason why you haven't found the same MD coins as you have. 
In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020 In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020 In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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Hardfind80: Cool your jets fella. We all here try to help to the best of our abilities, sometimes that is quite difficult not having coin in fist. The chances of finding a new variety of a known coin that has numerous KNOWN DDO / DDR after 5 years is quite slim, although never is it impossible. That being said, I have been giving your coin a three and four time go over. I think I see why you may say "new variety" based on this one and only point, there is an "odd" gap between the index and middle fingers that hasn't happened (been formed) by either a random hit OR by MD. I do see indications of hit damage as circled in YELLOW, the fingertip has been smashed, size is close to coin rim size. Circled in BLUE is what appears to be either Master Die Hub doubling or MD, and doesn't matter in this discussion. The two RED circles are the big question. #1 could very well be a DDR, I have seen those as a doubled index finger as listed in Coppercoins. #2 is an "I don't know". I "think" it has been damaged by whatever hit the fingertip, pushing the metal "downward". This also may have caused the gap between fingers I find odd. Final analysis: You may well have an already listed DDR, but your coin has received damage that will make it un attributable. If you want a 2009P DDR, I'll mail you one. If you're still not convinced, wait to see if Coop shows up and what he says, then go from there.  
Edited by Crazyb0 07/06/2017 02:44 am
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I am mostly with CrazybO on this this one. I think that with the doubling on the web of the thumb that it is an existing DDR that has been damaged in multiple areas. I think you should be able to match it up with one of Wexler's with doubling in the same web area. I would not say that you can not find additional unlisted doubled dies out there though. I submitted 5 unlisted 2009 EC WDDRs fairly recently and still have at least two more that have not been submitted. If you feel that it is an unlisted DDR then I would submit it to Mr Wexler to get his opinion. It is a very easy process. I have never had one on mine to go missing when sent to him. Still Lookin
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Sorry ,not a DDR, the areas within your yellow and blue circles are damaged areas where the coin got hit by other coins!
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Well first of all thank you very much for your responses Crazyb0 and still looking because it seems like your observations are actually sincere and not solely fueled by a Cockey Ego or from the jealousy of someone else making a nice find before the other person does like ive experienced in the past on this one and few other coins because lets be totally honest I'm sure that we all know that it does happen from time to time on here and to say that it doesn't would be being totally fake ... But anyway. Again thanks . And like you said I just wish that you could actually hold this crazy coin in your hand so that you can actually see with your own two eyes how crazy and bizarre it really is . I mean granted I'm sure that it could possibly look damaged from the pictures because at first I thought the same exact thing . But that was up until I actually took a closer look at it under my USB microscope And noticed that it doesn't have any of the consistent markings that damaged coins have ... But anyway hopefully I can get it authenticated soon along with a few others of my cool finds . And when I do I'll be sure to share my findings to hopefully anger a few Cockey people that I've had the pleasure of crossing paths with on here . lol
Edited by Hardfinds80 07/06/2017 8:36 pm
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Hard finds, don't get nasty and hasty to judge us here, some of us have been doing this for quite some time, we aren't iddgits. I'm one who tries to see all possibilities, but I'm also a realist. If something isn't so, no hoping to see it another way won't make it so. Don't know if you use Coppercoins.com as a reference, found them much better for the "finger" DDR. I still think you have a known variety, it could be 2009-1dr-036 or its corresponding 2009-1dr-074. Or even 2009-1dr-054. All have further points of attribution elsewhere on the coin for accurate ID, why I prefer here than wexlers or VV. Get in touch with John Wexler by email, send him your pix before submitting coin for his assessment. Costs $5 or $6 to submit, I just did this with one I swore was a DDO, looked just like example pix but just enough odd, wound up being MD after all. 
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Cool thanks for the advice and I will certainly let mister Wexler or some other reputable authentication company take a close gander at it ... Because I cant stop smelling new variation all over this particular coin . But nevertheless I'll be sure to keep you posted on what the verdict is in regards to MD / Double die or damage findings ...
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Hardfinds, I've been looking at several of your posts. The people on this forum enjoy collecting for the fun and challenge involved. They take their time to help those of us who aren't as educated about variations, grading and minting anomalies.
I see a definite pattern of baiting in your posts and I'm becoming convinced that you are having a good laugh at the forums expense. Either you are an experienced collector who is having fun or you are a newbie who just can't accept the knowledge being espoused here. Either way, it's fun watching you work. But it will eventually just get old. Add value to the group.
"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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Hey great response Mr. Bump111 . And to be honest I don't totally disagree with your theory either . infact the truth of the matter is like I always tend to say ... I'm not an expert but any time that I sense someone is being sarcastic or Hypocritical well I tend to care very little about what they have to say and it's as simple as that ... Oh and I'm also somewhat of a research geek and one of those kind of people that will sit up all a day long and research and study different things until I figure it out once I set my mind to it so I'm not one of those people who you can just simply tell something like hey ha ha You don't have a DD and then bam I'm taking it to the bank . I'm sorry but No It don't work like that for me especially without some form of Verification or Research because other then that I'll take it as face value nothing more and nothing less
Edited by Hardfinds80 07/09/2017 01:29 am
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P.s. Oh and by the way ... Yes bump111 I do stay having fun in the C.C. because nothing anyone ever says in these post can ever affect my day to that degree unless it's something positive or something thats very helpful to me especially the little things like telling me that I don't have a DD or some other form of rare coin . Infact even if I didn't have a DD or a rare coin then I really would not care either way because it's not that serious plus it's a little 3rd grade . Infact to me it seems like alot of times for certain individuals its actually the other way around because some of their replies are clearly a little childish and not encouraging like they're wishing it isn't the big one ... Lol . And granted that may not go for everyone on here but there are a few on here who know who they are . And I'm just being real .
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Quote: and not solely fueled by a Cockey Ego or from the jealousy of someone else making a nice find before the other person does like ive experienced in the past on this Hardfinds80, I read all the responses from members and all have offered their opinions in a respectful and polite manner! not sure how you came up with the cocky Ego,jealous nonsense! there are times you come across something and it may not turn out to be what you really really wanted it to be, so when you hear the same opinions from several individuals you need to accept it and respect it rather than getting offensive and rude because you didnt hear what you wanted to hear. Quote: and not solely fueled by a Cockey Ego or from the jealousy of someone else making a nice find before the other person does like ive experienced in the past on this I hope you do submit your coin and provide the results and perhaps then you can retract your insulting comments and offer your apologies!Good luck.
Edited by Chase007 07/09/2017 02:28 am
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Hardfind I was just reading all of these, very sad you need to respond in such a way when all these people are just trying to help you. I too have submitted many coins over the years and haven't always heard what I would of like to have heard, but I do trust In What everyone tells me because they know what they're talking about. If I knew for sure I wouldn't be asking for opinions, but I'm learning every time I come in here.
Why come in here if you can't have an open mind about other people's knowledge? Anyway I'm going to sleep just had to share my thoughts, not about your coin, but treat people the way you want them to treat you.
Goodnight and sorry about all the typos.
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Looks like the coin was damaged. the area in question are indent/incuse on the coin. A sign of damage from contact after the strike happened, probably during circulation.
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