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How Bad Will Rim Dings Affect Grading?

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 Posted 07/23/2017  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RoyCoinBoy to your friends list
They're right side up for me. I don't think those would affect grading too much.
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 Posted 07/23/2017  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list
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 Posted 07/23/2017  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
They are sideways on my desk top.
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 Posted 07/23/2017  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
I'm on a tablet that won't let me straighten the photos. Also, if you cut out all the background and leave only the coin in the photo it helps, too.

Rim dings do affect the grade and if severe enough will kick it into details.

I cannot see your coins well, so ill make no assumptions, but unless a common date Morgan can make it to MS-65, it's usually not a good investment to TPG.
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 Posted 07/23/2017  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
There are rim dings and then there are rim dings. Show me your ding.



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 Posted 07/23/2017  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Deplorabledan to your friends list
ok lets try this again with just obverse pictures

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 Posted 07/23/2017  8:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
Much better photographs. I do hope that you understand that an honest grade needs both the obverse and reverse photos to really merit much accuracy.

But I also understand that you are trying to make sure your photos are properly presented.

All 3 of these would probably fall into the MS-63 or 64 range, given that the reverses were of similar grade.

That poor 1881 in particular has its share of rim hits and I understand why you asked about those specifically. There is no single dent that would kick it into a details grade.

When we talk about "straight" grade we mean a coin that doesn't have any debilitating imperfections, the most common of which would be cleaned, more severe rim dings, scratches, graffiti, or other distractions. We call a coin with one of those major problems one that would not be given a straight grade by a TPG, and would be listed as Details.

One of your Morgan's, if it had a severe rim ding, might get a "grade" of Uncirculated, details, damage. Without something that kicked it into the details grade it would have the straight grade of MS 63.

Lastly, I would not recommend spending the money to TPG any of these three, although there is absolutely no shame for any of those ladies.
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 Posted 07/23/2017  8:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Well said.
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 Posted 07/23/2017  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Deplorabledan to your friends list
moxking, thank you for well articulated, coherent response, Here are the reverse pictures in this order

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1897

I agree with your response, I do however think that the 84 has a good shot at ms 64, maybe 64+. I just put out those 3 morgans and another 1900-o for grading to NGC. I understand most wouldnt have them graded, but I'm only into it for $22 a coin. add $25 for grading, shipping, and handling (NGC economy) and my cost is $47. even if they come back at ms63, I could at least break even on ebay, anything more is a bonus. Id rather have a certified 63 than a raw "BU" coin when and if I ever go to sell them, and I dont like the mystery of raw coins. I like gambling and buying them, but I dont want to sell raw coins that have a shot at grading above 63.Holding them raw is like the experiment with shroedingers cat. The cat is neither dead nor alive, until you open the box and find out. even if one comes back in a details slab I will just sell it and get what I can. theyre not key dates, so not much to lose. Either way it will be a learning experience and a test of my grading ability.

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 Posted 07/23/2017  9:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
Very well thought out goals approach. You will find that you can learn so much by entering the field with that exact attitude.

Regardless of those who dis the slabs, NGC and PCGS are the ones determining what grades really mean and look like. It is fine to express the oft quoted "buy the coin, not the slab" which is absolutely true. But you need to develop your own skill in grading before you can make such determinations, and there are no better teachers than the coins already assigned a grade.

I prefer NGC myself, although that goes against the grain for some collectors.

Please let us know your results.
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 Posted 07/23/2017  9:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Deplorabledan to your friends list
Yup I'll be sure to repost in a month or so with the results. I also prefer NGC, for slightly less expensive membership and submitting fees, and I like the museum quality slabs from NGC. I'm sure to upset some purists with this comment, but I think the PCGS slab looks archaic and cheap...
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 Posted 07/23/2017  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Debrajc to your friends list
I prefer the PCGS slabs but....

and Good Luck~!!

keep us posted
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 Posted 08/16/2017  7:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Deplorabledan to your friends list
UPDATE:

1881-s Ms 62
1884-o Ms 64
1897 Ms 62

Looks like they take off 1-2 points for minor dings. Good to know for future purchases
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 Posted 08/16/2017  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tunnioc to your friends list
Good choice with NGC, I think you came out on top
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 Posted 12/10/2018  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add InGodITrust7 to your friends list
Hello

Not sure if this appropriate for me to add a coin here for assessment.

I have a 1966 Kennedy half I am fairly sure is a business strike. I don't have a means to post very good pictures but hopefully these will help. The coin has never until now been protected, its dirty but looks to be MS with only minor imperfections. Minor, except for the rim damage on the obverse side to the left of (IN GOD WE TRUST).
Will this coin straight grade or not? What would it grade without the rim damage?

Thank you

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