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So How Weak Is The Commemorative Market?

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 Posted 08/18/2017  1:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Parklane64 to your friends list
I take what I can get.

Having coin is not coined.

Money is an object.
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 Posted 08/18/2017  6:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Beefer518 to your friends list

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My impression is that it's VERY soft (and flat) right now -- and has been for a while.
BUT when I search for ones that I'm missing the asking prices are higher than catalog.


That's exactly what I'm experiencing for many, but then there are some that are way under what I would expect to pay.


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Prices are very reasonable right now. 30 years ago only the rich could consider this challenge.


That's my question; is it at its bottom, or is it going lower still? How long to recover would you think (yes, I expect you to look into your crystal ball), or do you think the interest is just not there for a recovery?
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 Posted 08/18/2017  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
If you read on this forum when someone posts a CSS, you get all kinds of folks who have never even seen one or knew they existed.

There is so much "stuff" to collect, with the mint spitting stuff out at an unheard of pace, that newer collectors are enamored of the new commemorative, which I would have thought would have led some back to the classics. But it hasn't happened yet.

The last two years, in particular, I've had to raise my expected price on some CSS several times before I was finally within fighting range at auction. If you compare the prices of some CSS, with mintage's under 10,000, in high Mint State, that can be had for ridiculously cheap prices it's plain silly not to have at least a few.

On the Stacks-Bowers sale that concluded a couple weeks ago, I won a 1935/1934 Boone is beautiful bright white, with a mintage of 10,008, in MS-66 - YES 66 - for $188.00 INCLUDING BP. I mean, come on. Does it take a genius to figure out these prices are nutso cheap?

Every time I see one of those stupid 2015(P) ASE selling for $500, and they are selling for that price every single day, with a "mintage" of 80,000 or so, and I compare what you could get with that same $500 in CSS, it makes me ill.

Want the best investment in the world? Take 10 million, which is nothing to some (not many, but some). Buy every high end CSS, excluding common date stuff over 60,000 mintage, in higher end grades. Suck them all out of ebay. Eat them up on Heritage and Stacks. In general, just buy them all that sell in the next year, or until you've eaten 10 Mil worth.

Suddenly, as prices start rising, they will again shine in the light.

Buying at the bottom is here, right now. That's my crystal ball. Actually my dog, Toby, just lets me use his.
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 Posted 08/18/2017  8:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list
Moxking's first post is full of good insight.

I only have a few classic silver commemorative halves all are circulated but I like them just the same.

-MV
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 Posted 08/19/2017  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddler to your friends list
I enjoy and have have nearly a full set of the type set of early silver coins. The market if very flat on these recently and I do not see a resergance in the near future. They are an impressive set in an album and being one short after a lifetime search to fill the album I am satisfied with my collection
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 Posted 08/20/2017  12:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Beefer518 to your friends list
Which one are you missing?
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 Posted 08/20/2017  11:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddler to your friends list
The Hawaii, two I haven't cracked out are the Antetiam and the Spanish trail. I'm currently picking up the modern gold $5 commeratives they too are way down from five years ago.
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 Posted 08/20/2017  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinlover1899 to your friends list
This sounds like an interested thread.
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 Posted 08/20/2017  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bret to your friends list
moxking, excellent information! I'm inspired.
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 Posted 08/20/2017  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alpha2814 to your friends list
What it CSS? It's not in the glossary and none of the Google hits are telling me anything.
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 Posted 08/20/2017  11:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Beefer518 to your friends list

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What it CSS? It's not in the glossary and none of the Google hits are telling me anything.


I believe it stands for Commemorative Silver Series, or something like that.
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 Posted 08/23/2017  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add terry8835 to your friends list
How do gold $5 commemoratives stack up against bullion prices. The Statue of Liberty gold $5 coin by Elizabeth Jones is unique. I guess gold is gold and does not sell for less than melt value? I don't know a thing about commemorative coins except I like them.
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 Posted 08/24/2017  03:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddler to your friends list
Many of the $5 gold sell for close to melt, the Jackie Robinson uncurculated has been going for around $800 when it listed for over $3,000 a few years back.
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 Posted 08/31/2017  2:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paleoguy45 to your friends list
After about a year of searching, I completed the 14 coin Oregon Trail set in PCGS MS67. It was a great hunt and search experience (isn't that really what it's all about?). Some were four figures (thankfully just a few), while the majority were considerably less. Of all the different dates/mint marks the 1934-D was hands down the most difficult to find in an attractive 67. In the near future, I'll post the finished set. As an aside, I did complete a 50 coin Type Set several years ago in much lower grade and ended by breaking it up to go after something else. Prices were much higher then than now. I think the current softness in the CSS market is incentive to hit the pavement running if you have an interest in building a set (or eclectic partial set). I'm after a few more of the low mintages in MS65 grade to complement my Oregons and just acquired a gorgeous Antietam in MS65 at the Dalton, GA show earlier this month. PG
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 Posted 09/07/2017  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list

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What's your opinion on the market?


Very delayed reply ... but I do offer the following FWIW ...

Pricing for all of our collectibles should of course be a variable to manage ... but the primary driver for my collecting pursuit is love of the coins and my personal interest to pursue them.

Similar to PG ... I have completed an entire classic silver commemorative type set ... two actually ... my MS set is all PCGS MS/CAC and my circulated set has gained some traction here at the CCF.

For me ... it's not about current market prices ... but what I choose to pursue with wisdom and knowledge gained through research.

Hope that helps ... and best of wishes with your personal pursuit of the series.

David

Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art
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