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Sweet coin--very nice pick-up @Willburton!  "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks guys I'll hold onto that one!!
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Bedrock of the Community
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Notice on these the highest points of the contact marks, do not show the lines any longer. They wear off the coin. On a woody, these will not wear off as they are part of the planchet, not the case for roller lines, they are on the surface of the coin.
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Good observation, coop. It can clearly be seen on OP's coin that the lines are missing on the highest points of wear. The "woody" effect many times runs completely through the planchet so, no amount of wear would make it disappear entirely.
In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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10/24/2017 01:07 am
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I would like to have an image of a worn woody cent to show this fact. With this image and that image, it would make a great educational image. I'll be watching for one. Might check the PCGS forum?
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I agree the OP's coin was probably caused by roller lines. The cause of Woodys (stripes/streaks on coins)is not known for certain. Here's a link to an article by Mr. Mike Diamond on the subject. https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-c...rstood.html# Woodys are thought to be an improper alloy mix in the older cents and roller stains in the newer ones. I say this because the newer coins fit the description of a Woody. Some may call the newer coins "not a true Woody", but it's a Woody nonetheless. I think a Modern Woody describes it more accurately. As far as wear, of course the Modern Woody wears at the highest points first, because the stains are superficial. The Traditional Woody can wear also, depending on how deep in the planchet the improper alloy mix is. This is supported by the fact there are one-sided Traditional Woodys. Most of us have seen the older Woodys with wear whether on the relief or in the fields. Edit: If I've said something here that's inaccurate I hope someone will correct me. I can change this E-File if need be.  Edited by CoinMasters
10/24/2017 3:17 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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The rolling lines are like a stain on the coin. When it wears off, the lines go away. Seems odd they show up after the mint luster is gone though? Thanks for the image. I'll get it and use the other one on this thread to make what I had in mind.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Here is what I came up with.   Edited by coop
10/24/2017 4:46 pm
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Seems odd they show up after the mint luster is gone though? I always assumed that the staining material was pressed deep enough into the coin to survive loss of luster, but shallow enough to wear away as the coin reaches lower grades. Quote:
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Coop I guess we'll just have to disagree. I agree abut the rolling lines, but do not believe the improper alloy mix goes all the way through every planchet. If it did, they would all be two-sided Woodys, and all in every batch would be a Woody. That image should be credited to Slamnbass.
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Bedrock of the Community
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If you took a rolling lines coin and sanded it with sand paper, the lines would all disappear. On the improper mixed (woody) coins they coin wear does not remove the affect. If I have a rolling lines example and sand paper, I would make one. If someone does try this take images before and after.
Or put tape one half of the coin so the sand paper won't affect it. Then it would show the before and after affect on the same coin.
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10/24/2017 11:28 pm
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We are in total agreement with the roller lines Coop. Where we differ is with the improper mixed ones. Some of them do wear, it depends on how deep it is in the planchet. Only parts of the mixes are improper. If the whole mix was improper all the coins would be two-sided Woodys.  |
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Some of them do wear, it depends on how deep it is in the planchet. I agree, CM. That's why I worded what I said this way: Quote:
The "woody" effect many times runs completely through the planchet I don't believe coop ever said that a woody could not be worn down to being "not a woody". The image says that it depends on how deep the improper alloy mix is. It is, however, unlikely that a normally circulating cent that is a woody would be worn down enough to remove any sign, even if the effect penetrates only halfway through the planchet. I think coop's point is that roller lines are highly susceptible to being worn away with modest circulation whereas a woody must experience very heavy circulation wear to remove its effects, if at all. In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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10/25/2017 03:18 am
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Thank you Spruett, you got mox. I was beginning to think I was nuts there, for a minute. I know I have seen old Woodys with wear that had removed part of the effect. I've also seen them without wear where only part of the surface was effected. It's like an insufficiently mixed can of paint, some of it's mixed and some isn't.
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