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Liberty barely visible, F-12 for me.
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Jeesh, just don't understand you guys at all. You can barely make out Liberty. Half of the tail feathers are smooth. How can this be VF? Buehler? Anybody?
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Jeesh, just don't understand you guys at all. You can barely make out Liberty. Half of the tail feathers are smooth. How can this be VF? Buehler? Anybody? Back in the day, when Chesterb was avoiding bullies in the playground and chasing girls, he learned his mad grading skillz from a book by Martin and Dunn titled 'A Guide to the Grading of United States coins'. This was before we had photos...that's how old this was! The book had drawings of coins and you had to decipher the drawings and written descriptions to determine the grade. Well, back then, in order to get a grade of F you needed all 7 letters of the word 'LIBERTY' to show. In VF, all 7 letters needed to be strong. That was it, that was the description and the main determining factor. Now, they look at the drapery folds, head and hair detail etc along with the detail remaining on the shield. It's just the way it is and how grading has evolved. Based on the detail remaining overall on this coin, I grade it now as a VF-20. |
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If "R" was visible, I'd say VF20.
F15, but definitely pushing VF20
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This meets no established photo criteria for VF on any grading site I can find. Breasts worn clear, hair and braid worn clear, feathers worn to half or less, Liberty barely visible. This is textbook Fine. Please cite specific grading references to the contrary.  Edited by Coinfrog
12/19/2017 9:28 pm
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Awww...nothing wrong with being a conservative grader.  coinfrog Edited by chesterb
12/19/2017 10:23 pm
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They probably said VF-20, but it is no better than F-15.
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Coinfrog - I'm afraid I must snort.
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vf20
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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