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I Found An Old Ulysses S Grant Coin Die. Cant Find Anything About It Online

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 Posted 12/25/2017  2:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alpha2814 to your friends list

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You'll see some info under the bust, Phila PA Frank and maybe a date.


This. I see the same thing. If you can blow that up, that's probably the key to this puzzle.
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 Posted 12/25/2017  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list

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I was thinking Franklin mint or maybe Shell gas station token but found no images that match either.


Similar to the Shell President's game tokens but the die is Eighteenth and the token is 18th. The images I found of all the tokens are mixed, some are numerical and some spelled out. I didn't see both versions of any single one but maybe variations exist? Or maybe counterfeits exist? There was money to be won with this game.

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 Posted 12/25/2017  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add motox4life to your friends list
The small print says... AUG.C. FRANK CO PHILA. PA.
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 Posted 12/25/2017  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add motox4life to your friends list
I have been trying to find this coin online for hours. I cant find anything about it.
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 Posted 12/25/2017  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alpha2814 to your friends list
Not about this particular piece, but I did find this article about (whom I presume to be) the engraver: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/for...ust-c-frank/
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 Posted 12/25/2017  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add motox4life to your friends list
Nice find alpha. How do you guys think I should go about figuring out what exactly this die was for? And maybe what it might be worth?
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 Posted 12/25/2017  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alpha2814 to your friends list
I dug a little more, found this: https://medalblog.wordpress.com/201...erfeits-too/


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August C. Frank Company. This medallic firm in Philadelphia, founded 1894, was purchased by Don Schwartz September 11, 1972. The third generation owners wanted to keep part of the business (sprinkler manufacturing) but wanted to sell off the medal business. Schwartz contracted for the shipment of all the dies to Medallic Art's plant in Danbury.


There are a few more paragraphs about the dies. This blog hasn't been updated in several years, but there is a link in the right-side menu to the Medallic Art Company, which, according to this site, is the name of the company that bought the Frank company in 1972, so that part jives. Medallic Art is still in operation and may be able to provide more information.
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 Posted 12/25/2017  4:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
One thing I DO know:
Absolutely critical that the die needs to be protected from atmospheric corrosion in general, and rust in particular.
Be careful how you do it. Most rust preventatives that are chemically based also will darken the unprotected metal.

Also true with iron coins.
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 Posted 12/25/2017  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add motox4life to your friends list
Is there any way to clean the rust off that already accumulated? Or is it not a good idea to clean it? I could probably vacuum seal it or something for now.
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 Posted 12/25/2017  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
I would just coat it gently in my hands with some Mobil 1 motor oil and wrap it up in an slightly oily hanky in a zip lock bag for now. Do more research in the meantime on conserving or preserving the die.
One thing that is cool is it isn't James K. Polk LOL! You have a more famous president there.
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 Posted 12/25/2017  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list
Nice find, I would make sure you save it carefully to prevent further damage to it. I can't find an example of a coin that matches the die, however it's definitely not from the US mint, most likely a token of some kind.
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 Posted 12/26/2017  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add motox4life to your friends list
Does anyone have any ideas or guesses on what it might be worth?
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 Posted 12/26/2017  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scopru to your friends list
Cool find. A great addition and conversation starter!
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 Posted 12/27/2017  09:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Does anyone have any ideas or guesses on what it might be worth?
You can look form similar items that have sold on ebay and other auction sites, it would give you an idea.
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