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What Causes The Rainbow Color On Silver Coins?

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 Posted 03/20/2018  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
Until you become familiar with toning, be aware that there are many folks "producing" toning to sell specifically to uneducated buyers.

Check out coins found in NGC, PCGS, and ANACS to get an idea of what is and isn't natural toning.
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 Posted 03/20/2018  8:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bigjohn603 to your friends list

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The term for what you are asking about is called toning. RoyCoinBoy is correct, it's caused by environmental interactions with the silver. Here is an informative article about it...

http://www.coinnews.net/2007/09/03/.-value-3565/


Great article! Thank you very much...
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 Posted 03/20/2018  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list
Never seen an environmentally damaged (toned) coin that wouldn't benefit from a quick dip!



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 Posted 03/20/2018  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
OR it could be left overs from Lyprocons, not sure of the spelling, looking for their pot of gold.
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 Posted 03/21/2018  5:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Now would you like to know what causes the colors?

It's called thin-film interference. Light passing through the oxidation film on the surface of the coin reflects from both the top surface of the oxidation and from the back surface of the oxidation. These two reflections interfere with each other resulting in a cancellation of some of the frequencies in the light. Which frequencies are canceled is a function determined by the thickness of the oxidation film the light passes through. Different thicknesses mean different frequencies and your eye sees this as different colors.
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 Posted 03/21/2018  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Optimist-numismatist to your friends list

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.Never seen an environmentally damaged (toned) coin that wouldn't benefit from a quick dip!


Same here lol. Kind of kidding, kind of not.
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 Posted 03/21/2018  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
As for "what causes it", chemically, the answer is "corrosion from atmospheric sulfur". Silver does not oxidize under normal atmospheric conditions, but pretty much any airborne form of sulfur - be it sulfur dioxide, hydrogen sulfide or organosulfur compounds as well as liquid or dissolved sulfur such as fingerprint oil, onion juice or machine oil - will chemically react with the silver metal of the coin to form silver sulfide.

Bulk silver sulfide is black. The colours that we call "toning" derive, as Conder states, from thin-film interference. Basically, when the layer of silver sulfide on the coin is very thin, light can shine through it. The thinnest films are reddish in colour, then greenish, then blue. After blue comes black, because the layer becomes too thick to be transparent.

This does mean that, if you have a coin with colours that are pleasing to you, protect it from further reaction with sulfur in the air - otherwise, the colours will change, and eventually turn black.
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I'm loving the debate here. I only posting so that I can retrieve it easily for future reference in my post history.

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 Posted 03/22/2018  3:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew99 to your friends list
Eight posts before the words thin film interference get posted. oh well.
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Can't help that, there were already seven posted before I got here.
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Never seen an environmentally damaged (toned) coin that wouldn't benefit from a quick dip!


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 Posted 03/25/2018  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bigjohn603 to your friends list

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Now would you like to know what causes the colors?

very informative
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 Posted 03/25/2018  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
The comments of Conder and Sap taken together, give the whole picture exactly.

In the light of these comments, it must be remembered that beautiful rainbow toning is in a very delicate and unstable state between blast white and full dull gray.
To preserve the nice coloring it is essential that the coin is kept in an airtight capsule. If that is not the case now, then take action immediately.

A slabbed coin is somewhat protected in it's prison, but slabs are not airtight. Over the long term, the rainbow toning may still be at risk.
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