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1919 Buffalo Nickel, What Do You Think?

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 Posted 04/27/2018  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenBerthiaume to your friends list
OP here. I guess I don't get grading per se. How can this coin get an MS grade? It's all scraped. Look how mashed the pelt is on the buffalo's head. How faded the fist "1" is 1919.

Not enough time has gone by for me to reveal the actual grade. But it's higher than I thought.
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 Posted 04/27/2018  3:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
seems like a good reason to not trust slabbed grades blindly. TPG graders are human.
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 Posted 04/27/2018  5:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acloco to your friends list
numismatic student - THIS particular BUFF, is one of the reasons this series is HARD to consistently grade.

The streaks are planchet flaw - material did not flow together correctly.

Soft Obverse and Reverse strike caused by worn dies.

MS63 at least.
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 Posted 04/27/2018  5:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
not referring to color striations. referring to the scuffs on the surface. that is not a planchet flaw. it is PMD.
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 Posted 04/27/2018  6:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Optimist-numismatist to your friends list
It could be die burn Numismatic-student
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 Posted 04/27/2018  6:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
dies can be scratched. that would result in raised lines. the obverse shows incuse parallel scratches. not really familiar with die burn. what is that?
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.dies can be scratched. that would result in raised lines. the obverse shows incuse parallel scratches. not really familiar with die burn. what is that?


Basically from My understanding it's when a coin (usually made of nickel) that has a fairly high relief gets weakly struck, where the rest of the design should be gets a weird kind of scratchy/hazy look.

Canadian coins from the late 1960s to mid 1970s were notorious for this.


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The centre on the centennial nickel shown is a textbook example of this (notice how the two arms blend into each other).
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 Posted 04/27/2018  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
If anyone looks up blank planchet images, you'll see almost all of them have nicks and scratches and dings and dents in the surfaces to some noticeable degree. when the coin design is struck onto these planchets, metal flow will make much of those disappear. Sometimes on the highest points of the design, where the metal flow does not spread as much, some of those marks that were on the blank planchet will remain.
I will refer to this CCF link to show a 2010 blank quarter planchet from a BU roll.
http://goccf.com/t/84126
Here is an image of a modern mint state blank golden dollar planchet with the edge lettering.
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Proof blank planchets are polished I believe, but I can't swear to that.

I learned this by looking at Jefferson nickels and the jaw of Jefferson ( a high point in the coin design ) where I found similar marks that I thought were contact marks from light circulation or from contact in the process of handling up until they finally rolled up.
Yes, some marks may be results from both. But sometimes, these marks are just from the flow of the metal and what imperfections remained on the blank.

The good teachers I had long ago would tell me to look at the rims and edge of a coin as well as the design for circulation wear.
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 Posted 04/27/2018  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
thanks. always great to learn something new. that looks incuse, but more like small dots rather than parallel lines. in this case these just look like post mint scrapes to me.

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 Posted 04/28/2018  12:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list
MS-64.
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 Posted 04/28/2018  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acloco to your friends list
Can be early stages of delamination because of the improper/incomplete base metal mix of this planchet.
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 Posted 04/28/2018  06:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list
Hmm , will the real reason for this odd Buffalo please make yourself known .
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 Posted 04/28/2018  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
Yes please ... may we have the verdict?
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 Posted 04/28/2018  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenBerthiaume to your friends list
I posted it but I don't know. The features look so crisp, but the buffalo fur is missing on the shoulders. Then there's the blue tinge. Confusing.
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