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 Posted 06/01/2018  04:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add da Swampster to your friends list
I don't like to toss a number around when I can't remember exactly what it is, but I'm positive I've read somewhere the mint knows exactly how many of these '55s are minted and that number is included in whatever I read, wherever that is..

I can say your guesstimation is durn close, Coop..

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 Posted 06/01/2018  06:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
The mint on keeps track of the total number struck and the total number of dies. As far as how many coins were struck by the individual dies, as far as I know, they don't keep track of that. Like the number of large and small dates coins, they are counted together in the total for the year. So, they don't keep track of the individual dies numbers of coins. When people mention a number it is speculation. I was figuring from die wear when the examples missing in the later die state, the the die was taken out of production. I.E: The 1969-S DDOs are all in the VEDS die state, so there numbers would be less than 12,000. But because we find a lot less than that being found, I figure more likely less than 100 examples. Just knowing how few are graded. Hope this helps.
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 Posted 06/01/2018  10:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add da Swampster to your friends list
Now I need to go find the article / story, lol..

What I saw didn't have to do with the die's prodouction per se, it had to do with that day's production.. They knew they had a doubleddie on their hands.. What to do about them..? That question got passed up the chain of command.. A decision was made: Release them because enough were minted it won't make a difference.. (*Famous Last Words #1,476*)

Hey -- I didn't write it; I'm merely repeating what I read..

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 Posted 06/01/2018  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Die wear on RPMs are also an issue. They can get out of shape by just the die wear. Well the die wear on that area is SE. So look for those sides to be affected the most. I've prepared a few for discussion. some of the more interesting ones. But I will add more later on when I can add to them. But this will help you get the idea that the die wear also affects these areas and you can tell the later die states by the less of the RPM that shows.
1910-S RPM-001:
Once-You've-Read-This-Thread,-Your-Ideas-About-Coins-Will-Change.
1925-S RPM-001, FS-501
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1938-D RPM-001:
Once-You've-Read-This-Thread,-Your-Ideas-About-Coins-Will-Change.
1943-D 1c RPM-001, FS-501
Once-You've-Read-This-Thread,-Your-Ideas-About-Coins-Will-Change.
1944-D RPM-002, FS-502:
Once-You've-Read-This-Thread,-Your-Ideas-About-Coins-Will-Change.
1949-D DDO-001:
Once-You've-Read-This-Thread,-Your-Ideas-About-Coins-Will-Change.
1950-S RPM-004, FS-004:
Once-You've-Read-This-Thread,-Your-Ideas-About-Coins-Will-Change.
1954-D 1c DDO-001, FS-501
Once-You've-Read-This-Thread,-Your-Ideas-About-Coins-Will-Change.
1959-D PRM-009:
Once-You've-Read-This-Thread,-Your-Ideas-About-Coins-Will-Change.
1960-D RPM-002
Once-You've-Read-This-Thread,-Your-Ideas-About-Coins-Will-Change.
1960-D RPM-023 EAST:
Once-You've-Read-This-Thread,-Your-Ideas-About-Coins-Will-Change.
1970-D RPM-004. FS-004:
Once-You've-Read-This-Thread,-Your-Ideas-About-Coins-Will-Change.
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 Posted 06/01/2018  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add da Swampster to your friends list
Good stuff !

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 Posted 06/01/2018  5:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
Great stuff and good information Coop!
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 Posted 06/01/2018  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add uruman to your friends list
thanks for all do doing for the hobby.
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 Posted 06/01/2018  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
A superb story told through these pics--continued great work @coop!
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coop- If you're not being paid for all this research and documentation you should be. And if you are being paid, it's not enough! !
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 Posted 06/01/2018  11:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list

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A superb story told through these pics--continued great work @coop!


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 Posted 06/02/2018  01:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
I think I'm going to stop added to this thread. I could do more information on class 2 doubled dies how die wear affects them. But that will probably be another day.
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Thank you for taking the time to share so much info like this. I appreciate it!!
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Where are you getting your information from Coop? Your numbers sounded a bit high to me so I googled it and immediately found this article on PCGS' official website which states that about 20,000-40,000 examples were struck from a single die pairing with about 10,000-15,000 surviving examples known to exist across all grades.



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Source link below...

https://www.PCGS.com/news/the-1955-...-performance
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 Posted 06/02/2018  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
That is their estimate. I go with what I see on the dies. Only a small percentage of the examples from their site have the die scratches they hold so dear. Some of the coins we in LDS beginning die state. That tells me more than a quote. I go by what I see and read from the coins themselves.
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'Legendary' 1955 Lincoln, Doubled Die Obverse cent turns heads at Rarities Night.

By Steve Roach , Coin World
Published : 04/03/18


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A 1955 Lincoln, Doubled Die Obverse cent graded PCGS MS-65+ with a green CAC sticker sold for a massive $114,000 at Stack's Bowers' March 22 Rarities Night auction.
Images courtesy of Stack's Bowers Galleries.


The ESM Collection of Lincoln Cents led the March 22 Rarities Night auction by Stack's Bowers Galleries at the Whitman Baltimore Expo. Pete Miller's collection was the current and all-time finest set of Lincoln Cents with Major Varieties in the Professional Coin Grading Service Set Registry. The collection's top lot was one of just three known 1958 Lincoln, Doubled Die Obverse cents, this piece graded PCGS Mint State 64 red, that brought $336,000. A 1969-S Lincoln, Doubled Die Obverse cent graded PCGS MS-64 red with a green Certified Acceptance Corp. sticker realized $126,000.

These weren't the only stars, and here is another that stood out:

The Lot:

1955 Lincoln, Doubled Die Obverse Cent, MS-65+ Red, green CAC sticker.

The Price:

$114,000

The Story:

Among doubled die Lincoln cents, the 1955 Lincoln, Doubled Die Obverse cent is legendary, with doubling visible to the naked eye. This example, graded Mint State 65+ red and bearing a green CAC sticker, is the finest example graded by PCGS with full Mint red color; it sold for a hearty $114,000. An estimated 24,000 examples were produced, of which around 3,000 to 4,000 survive today. Surprisingly, a press inspector at the Philadelphia Mint discovered the variety, but allowed the coins to be released anyway. As Stack's Bowers writes, "There was no thought that these would have any special value, as at that time there was hardly any numismatic interest in what we call Mint errors today."

There are multiple varieties of 1955 Lincoln, DDO cents and this one — cataloged as FS-101 in CherryPickers' Guide to Rare Die Varieties — is the strongest.


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I came across this while trying to re-find the population information for the 1955 DD cent I "thought" I'd seen awhile back.. Just felt like something most would take a gander, so I tacked it on as the lead..

Coop: I couldn't find that info, sorry.. Under normal circumstances this would be an apology, but since the numbers I implied earlier this week are much closer to yours than those stated in the articles and on the web sites I've recently been checking, I'm not exactly sure what this is..

It's now apparent I was recalling that long-ago supposed 20K - 40K production run as 200K - 400K units, which fits much better with the die states you describe that're available out there for everyone to see than the mint-released numbers and their inability to align themselves along the known-to-exist wear-and-tear axis..

Why they insist on continuing to do silly stuff like that is beyond me.. One would think they must be purt tired by now of getting caught out over n over n overrr...........

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