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Thoughts Requested On 1794 Large Cent Verdigris - Or Is It Bronze Disease?

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 Posted 07/03/2018  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinlover1899 to your friends list
Good looking coin. I would think it is worth $300-$350 retail.
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 Posted 07/03/2018  7:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list
This coin currently exhibits active verdigris. It appears to be salvageable. A soak in 100% acetone from the hardware store, then a Verdi-Care treatment should help with the problem.
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 Posted 07/03/2018  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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This coin currently exhibits active verdigris. It appears to be salvageable. A soak in 100% acetone from the hardware store, then a Verdi-Care treatment should help with the problem.

Best advise. Olive oil contains an acid. Not good for any coins.
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 Posted 07/04/2018  07:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list
Use what you want to use for the conservation of the coin. For over twenty years when I was collecting early american coppers I used olive oil to remove verdigris. Olive oil use was there before verdi-care. I don't see any reason to buy a product that does the same thing as something I can swipe from my wife's kitchen. Old time EAC collectors have been wiping down their coins for years with olive oil (don't for get to wipe excess off). Just monitor it closely. I've also used a tooth pick to gently cox out some deep down material. If you do nothing it will get worse over many years. If you want to use this verdi-care, then use it. Just do something. I don't make any money off of suggesting to use olive oil. Verdi-care?

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 Posted 07/04/2018  08:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
Using Olive Oil may work but you have to remember saying Olive Oil is like saying soap or cars or water. There are so many different kinds of those things and what is in one may well ruin things. Most Olive Oils contain acids and those too vary with the Oils. Just like a soap, water, cars they are all different. It is usually better to be safe than sorry.
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 Posted 07/04/2018  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Olive oil will work, but it will take a very long time (think months or even years) of soaking. It works for the very reason Just Carl doesn't like it. Olive oil is very mildly acidic. Over a very long time the acids in the oil break down the verdigris. BUT it will also slowly attack the metal of the coin. The Verdi-Care is formulated to go after the verdigris more rapidly without attacking the metal.
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 Posted 07/04/2018  3:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list
@KK, you stated,

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If you do nothing it will get worse over many years. If you want to use this Verdi-Care, then use it. Just do something. I don't make any money off of suggesting to use olive oil. Verdi-Care?

Verdi-Care is a product from a well known and respected member here at CCF.
The product has been used by many members with successful results.
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The Verdi-Care is formulated to go after the verdigris more rapidly without attacking the metal.

RubyOpal, please show us you results.
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 Posted 07/04/2018  4:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RubyOpal to your friends list

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RubyOpal, please show us your results.


I'm not sure I'll have results to show quite yet - I am leaning toward moxking's point of view:


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Although the obverse certainly isn't bad, that reverse active corrosion would scare me away.


What scares me is the idea of one bad coin slowly and quietly infecting the rest of the coins in my Large Cent album. It seems terribly risky at any price.
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 Posted 07/04/2018  4:31 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list
Ruby does the shop have an on line site ?
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 Posted 07/04/2018  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RubyOpal to your friends list

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Ruby does the shop have an on line site ?


He has an ebay store, but the coin isn't up on it yet.
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 Posted 07/04/2018  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
I'm with Conder on this 100%. Olive oil is useful in certain circumstances but far too passive here. Verdi-care will do the job quickly but leave you with the same gnawing issue: do I want to spend good money on a problem coin?
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 Posted 07/08/2018  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RubyOpal to your friends list
The dealer sent the coin off to a friend who is knowledgeable about verdigris in coins. In the meantime, I'm looking at other 1794 coins on ebay and Heritage, and they all look pretty corroded. There's even one as green and pitted as the one I posted, in a PCGS slab.
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 Posted 07/09/2018  10:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
If you are going to collect early large cents you either pretty much have to accept that you will be buying problem coins, or that you will be paying through the nose for problem free ones. Probably 98% of all early large cents are problem coins.
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If you are going to collect early large cents you either pretty much have to accept that you will be buying problem coins, or that you will be paying through the nose for problem free ones.

Hallelujah!
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 Posted 07/11/2018  08:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jafo50 to your friends list
I think it's a pretty nice coin for being over 220 years old but definitely needs some treatment. I would soak it in Acetone for a day and them examine the results. As mentioned previously the stubborn verdigris will need to be gently coaxed out using a toothpick. I've used Verdi-Care and it does help with the removal. At the end of the day this is still a very nice coin and should be conserved.
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