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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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These look to me to be die struck fakes. They probably ping the same as genuine and weigh exactly the same as genuine.
The luster seems to be the same as freshly minted coins, which they are.
The coins themselves show full mint luster, but the detail is just too fuzzy for the amount of undisturbed luster that these coins show.
Very poor detail in the King's beard, mustache, head band of the crown and bust. Leaves on reverse a bit better, but still not up to scratch.
Not whizzed. Whizzing would not show up as well,
close in to the details, and in the low points of the design detail,
but would be more evident in the open fields.
My theory is that
the the dies that produced these were cut by the spark erosion process then worked up a little. The spark erosion die cutter is programmed from a previously prepared 3D digital image, read from a genuine coin, by a laser optic profiler.
Laser optic profiling is what dentists use to read the base profile under a new tooth crown.
The new prosthetic crown is machined from a blank, and uses the digital base profile to ensure a perfect fit of the new crown onto the base of the tooth.
These sorts of fakes are going to become increasingly common. We need to train our eyes to be able to identify them more easily.
Edited by sel_69l
07/11/2018 09:40 am
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United States
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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The coins have been enhanced to dupe the innexperienced collector.
Quite successfully as the title of this thread mentions high grade coins,which they are not.
In the last photo the coin appears to have been lacquered.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Valued Member
 Canada
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Thanks for the feedback
In regards to DBM's comment, please don't assume all new members are inexperienced collectors, the same way that someone with thousands of posts doesn't make them an experienced collector.
The "high grade" and "key date" from the title were intended to be paired. I'm not saying these coins ARE high grade but they are high grade key date coins. The same way as you might classify a billionaire with only $1000 poor but not classify a homeless person with that same $1000 as being not poor.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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date on the 25 looks WAY off
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1984 Posts |
Wade I agree the date looks way off. Many letters look "jiggly" and have apparent doubling shadows. To me this looks more likely to be imprecise whizzing rather than poor laser scanning of a die. So I vote whizzing.
Edited by Smallcentguy
07/11/2018 9:22 pm
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Valued Member
Canada
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I agree that they are whizzed. The 1925 photo looks jiggly, but I think that it`s just an out of focus photo, if you look at the edges of the coin or the background there is a lot of doubling/jiggly-ness there too. Compare with how sharp the edges and background of the obv photo is.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Conclusion: Jiggly pictures and whizzed.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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They look just like other confirmed Chinese fakes of key date Canadian small cents that have popped up on ebay over the past year or two. |
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Quote:They look just like other confirmed Chinese fakes of key date Canadian small cents that have popped up on ebay over the past year or two. No, they don't. They don't have any of the markers. These are legit coins, but altered (whizzed). These are the Chinese fakes:    "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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I find that a quick "go to point" when looking for counterfeit cents
is on the obverse.
The I in DEI has a thick lower SERIF and the two colons on the right
side are elongated.
Neither of the OP coins show this.
(Thanks to Mike Marshalls CD for this info)
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
Fakes from different manufacturers can vary in relation to each other.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Valued Member
Canada
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Thanks again guys! Seller states he has all similar grade 1920-1936 cents and paid "alot" poor guy. Unless that's an excuse and he is responsible for this! Anyways I passed on these. Thanks!
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Valued Member
Canada
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Good choice, the coin definitely should not have such a high luster level. There are also no hairlines on the beard.
I would say a fake
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