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Quote:This is why the term should be PSD Post Strike Damage. Anything that happens to the coin after the moment of strike, no matter where the coin is at the time, is Post Strike Damage PSD. The term PMD should be phased out in favor of PSD. Continued use of the term PMD just leads to confusion for newbies. Fair points. You may have noticed that PMD and PSD are in the CCF glossary, but only PMD automatically links to it whenever you type it. PSD does not, so I will see if I can get that changed. |
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Jbuck, I agree that PSD (Post Strike Damage) should be linked to the CCF glossary as it's the proper term for damage. Getting PSD linked would be great. Errers and Varietys.
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In my opinion this is really all an insignificant semantics argument, both terms imply pretty much the same thing and if someone has a preference for one over the other it really shouldnt matter. When I type or read PSD or PMD, the same thought comes into my mind: Damage, not an error. When someone says that a coin that's been heavily damaged is a "parking lot coin", can you really prove that the damage came from a parking lot? not really. Does it matter? not really. It carries the same meaning as someone calling it "damaged" |
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Edited by USSID18
07/20/2018 6:03 pm
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If someone had called it PMD would you really be unable to discern the meaning behind what was said? In the few cases like this, you could qualify that the mint themselves caused this damage after the coin was struck, but in the vast majority of damaged coin situations, it really doesn't make a difference Edited by Adam_E
07/20/2018 6:08 pm
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And here's the gray area. Consider an ejection error. Mint error? Indeed. Strike error? No, after strike. At just what point does Post-Strike become effective? In my mind it is once the hammer die has retracted and coin is booted from it's perch. So, basic point, can a coin be a "Mint error" and Post struck? In this example, plainly it can be. So how far down the production line will a coin be considered as Post Struck Mint error? I would assume, as literal, it is once the coin has left premises, upon leaving it then becomes a "Post-Minted" error/variety as Conder pointed out. So there does seem to be a distinction that needs to be made. I hope this drives all you language use purists nuts!  |
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Theres definitely an interesting discussion to be had when it comes down to classifying whether something is a mint error or mint cause PSD or how far along the minting process something is considered struck. However in practical application on this forum, I really do not believe its necessary to try and language police people on their terms when in nearly every single case the two terms carry the same meaning and intent(and can be interpreted as such). And in cases where it cant, it can always be qualified and expanded upon(which it usually is anyway). |
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The Morgan you show is not "damaged" unless you strictly define routine Mint and Treasury handling and storage as "damage." If that's your point of view, I'll be glad to buy your "damaged" Morgans, at ultra-low "damaged coin" prices. ;) That being said, I agree wholeheartedly that PMD should be 100% deprecated in favor of PSD. Perhaps the auto-correct could change PMD to PSD like it does for certain other things. It's absolutely thrilling that so many new people are interested in errors and varieties, and looking at coins in general, that the last thing they need is massive confusion when first learning about coins. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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So what would you call this? And yes, it came directly from the Mint. Packaging Fail.  |
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While I still agree with what I said in my earlier post,how about we all stop using PSD and PMD and just call it damage? John1  |
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I always held that the "M" in PMD was for Minting, not Mint. So PMD to me is Post Minting Damage, anything after minting of the coin, even while still in the mint facility. KK |
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Nope, I'm still going to use Post Strike Damage. I'm too stubborn to let go of that term. GrapeCollects, by the way, that 1998 Foreign coin you showed is a error coin as it happened at the U.S. Mint, not damage. That's why it was in Coin World. You should probably correct that. Errers and Varietys.
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07/22/2018 5:14 pm
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So what would you call this? And yes, it came directly from the Mint. I'd call it PSD, the damage occurred after the moment of strike. Quote:
At just what point does Post-Strike become effective? Once the hammer die starts to retract. At that point the strike has finished and anything that happens to it after that is PSD. As I pointed out earlier there is the exception that a second striking action by the press would be considered a mint error and not PSD. |
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Wasn't the term just meant to differentiate between a coin that has been damaged -vs- something caused during the minting process.
I see the term in use frequently when (generally) new members find a damaged coin, and post here how they found a new kind of "error".
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