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Well Ace, this isn't the first one you've argued about is it? Compare, it is the design of the coin, with a wear pattern! 
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Pareidolia (/pær#618;#712;do#650;li#601;/ parr-i-DOH-lee-#601;) is a psychological phenomenon in which the mind responds to a stimulus, usually an image or a sound, by perceiving a familiar pattern where none exists. Edited by Crazyb0
09/09/2018 2:48 pm
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 it is not an error. |
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Or it's the all seeing eye of the Illuminatti!  Edited by Crazyb0
09/09/2018 3:28 pm
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I'm not buying a accidental dent. @kyle, that is fair push-back, but what coin would you think is the host? There are some 17th and 18th Century European coins that had two digit dates split like that, but that seems pretty far-fetched to me. Maybe you can propose a coin? Thx. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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here are some 17th and 18th Century European coins that had two digit dates split like that, but that seems pretty far-fetched to me. Quite true Dave, but most over-struck coins only show the original host details in the field levels of the new strike. Not deep within a newly struck coin (incuse) device, the pressure would have moved the coin material to fill out those details...  The quy's argument has gone down in flames....  Edited by Crazyb0
09/09/2018 8:33 pm
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 Keep at it you guys. |
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Quite true Dave, but most over-struck coins only show the original host details in the field levels of the new strike. Not deep within a newly struck coin (incuse) device, the pressure would have moved the coin material to fill out those details... I would disagree with that and say it is pretty much exactly the opposite because the field areas of the second or overstike are the highest points of the die and tend to flatten and wipe out details from the original strike in those areas, Details from the first strike tend to show up best in the raised detail areas of the second strike because they don't get wiped out until the incuse areas of the dies completely fill and the original details get pressed against the die surface. |
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Perhaps, another coin was placed atop this cent and then hammered to leave an impression? If so, the copper-nickel cent would not show as strong an impression as other metals.
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Do you guys believe it to be worth sending in to NGC or PCGS?
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could it be something like this?  |
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No, not worth sending off. Sorry, not an error, and I see no text so no reason to belive error, or alteration, just a normal wear pattern. |
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Sure, go ahead, send it to ANACS or NGC with the request for additional recognition on the label of any anomalies found. They'll gladly take the appraisal fees..up front, no refund. So ya, go ahead if you're so sure of what you think it may be, those here seem to have no good input for you.
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Do you guys believe it to be worth sending in to NGC or PCGS? Last time I went trolling I caught 2 Walleyes and a White Bass - seems all you caught were a few suckers!!  |
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I would disagree with that and say it is pretty much exactly the opposite because the field areas of the second or overstike are the highest points of the die and tend to flatten and wipe out details from the original strike in those areas, Details from the first strike tend to show up best in the raised detail areas of the second strike because they don't get wiped out until the incuse areas of the dies completely fill and the original details get pressed against the die surface. Conder101, you are correct, and so am I. Apparently of those coins on record, the designs from the parwent coin are indeed transferred to ALL parts of the host die strike. BOTH the incused devices AND the field level does not completely obliterate the original design. See the examples down this reference page please: http://www.error-ref.com/?s=struck+on+foreign+coin But what this further proves though, is that on the OP's coin in question, there would be other indications on the fields or with in other portions of the design to indicat an over-struck coin. Other factors to consider is sizes of the two coins in question. Is the host coin exact weight AND dimensions? An over-sized host coin(foreign) wouldn't fit within chamber, and if did would be broadstruck, same with an undersize coin wouldn't fully expand to collar and show features of a wrong size planchet. Neither of these effects are seen. OP's coin is just wear and Pareidolia. And final note: in reference note the words "mint-assisted"....  Edited by Crazyb0
09/10/2018 8:35 pm
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