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 Posted 09/01/2018  12:12 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add kyleg02247 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hey Guys, I have a 1858 Flying eagle small date variety. On the Reverse you can make out a 5 and 8 or its two 8's on both sides of the wreath. The penny weighs 4.556 Grams (4.7 is normal.) and it's Diameter is 19.28 mm (19.0 is normal) Please see the attached photos, let me know your thoughts. The penny is a bit worn so I assume that is why it accounts for the weight loss, but unsure why it would be larger. My main focus is trying to figure out why there are two digits in the wreath on Reverse.





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 Posted 09/01/2018  02:16 am  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't see anything, looks normal to me.
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 Posted 09/01/2018  08:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not seeing 8s or anything else odd.
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 Posted 09/01/2018  08:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@kyleg02247, can you confirm that these two potential digits are just to the left of the C and just to the right of T in CENT? When I blow up one of those areas and enhance the pic, I am seeing a vague outline of something. I wonder if it isn't just a slightly unusual wear pattern rather than an actual struck inscription.




As far the coin being 0.28 mm to large in diameter, it could have been squeezed slightly at some point in its hard life.
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 Posted 09/01/2018  11:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, where exactly on the wreath do you see these digits?
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 Posted 09/01/2018  11:47 am  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All I see is just heavy damage.
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 Posted 09/08/2018  04:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kyleg02247 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Im sorry I just saw these responses. I will reply soon with better pictures of the entire coin measurements and weight. I am very curious about this coin there is something definitely strange going on with it, and you almost half to be holding it in your hand to digest it. From the pictures alone it does it zero justice.
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 Posted 09/08/2018  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kyleg02247 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, the inscriptions are directly to the left and the right of the C and the T in cent perfectly aligned. definitely do not believe it to be a weird type of wear, theres nothing on the wreath of a perfectly struck penny that would resemble these distinct markings which I believe to be two 8's






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 Posted 09/09/2018  09:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is a "dent" and some shadows, and your mind, trying to make sense out of random data, fits it into an "8".
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 Posted 09/09/2018  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kyleg02247 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How are they both lined up like that on both sides, I'm not buying a accidental dent.
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 Posted 09/09/2018  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well Ace, this isn't the first one you've argued about is it?
Compare, it is the design of the coin, with a wear pattern!




You just don't get it, you are seeing Ghost images!


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it is not an error.
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 Posted 09/09/2018  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Or it's the all seeing eye of the Illuminatti!

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I'm not buying a accidental dent.


@kyle, that is fair push-back, but what coin would you think is the host? There are some 17th and 18th Century European coins that had two digit dates split like that, but that seems pretty far-fetched to me. Maybe you can propose a coin? Thx.
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here are some 17th and 18th Century European coins that had two digit dates split like that, but that seems pretty far-fetched to me.


Quite true Dave, but most over-struck coins only show the original host details in the field levels of the new strike. Not deep within a newly struck coin (incuse) device, the pressure would have moved the coin material to fill out those details...

The quy's argument has gone down in flames....
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Keep at it you guys.
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