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Moderator
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New Member
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@ echizento and @jbuck Thanks for the warm welcome! To "well-come" we say "well-found" as a polite and sincere response.
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@FVRIVS RVFVS Oh, ok, cannot argue with that, I too have not seen such associations, I was not looking for them specifically, my interest is Constantinvs Maximvs, I am trying to understand the reasons for some of his actions
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@Kushanshah Absolutely right! Personal bias is an annoying confounding error. Plus, those events took place 17 centuries ago, when people and society functioned differently, therefore interpretation bias is around the corner even if the interpreter is not personally biased.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Finding the reasons behind the actions of Constantine at this late date are difficult at best to fathom While Constantine surely promoted the interests of the Christians he did not aggressively do so but by the "Edict of Toleration" sought to remove the restraints on them. Edward Gibbon points out that within a generation of the edict that while all religions were to be tolerated that extended only so far ! If you were Christian your religion needed to adhere to the official "orthodoxy". The penalty for heresy in the Church was death ! Many early adherents to variations in doctrine were forced to flee the empire and gave birth to early communities of Christians in places like Mesopotamia and lands beyond the Roman frontier in Europe. Often forgotten is that when St Augustine of Hippo lay dying in a city surrounded by an army of Vandal barbarians those barbarians were flying banners that bore the Christian cross ! They were Arian Christians converted by exiles from Rome in Germania. When the prophet Muhammad first learned the stories of the Bible from Jews and Christians in Medina it was from people exiled from their own homelands for religious beliefs ! Finally it should be remembered that just like his father Constantius I, Constantine the Great was actually deified by the Roman Senate ! Unlike his father he was supposedly baptized while on his deathbed by a Christian priest. Whether he was actually still breathing at the time is unknown. What is known is that the priest was an "Arian" Christian priest The truth at this distant time will ever be elusive
Edited by FVRIVS RVFVS 09/02/2018 09:45 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Edited by Kushanshah 09/02/2018 10:57 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The prices today absolutely astound me ...... Of course these two aren't as nice but still were affordable enough that I have absolutely no memory of the price tag (Less than $100 apiece I am very sure) To be honest I had no memory of the Chi Rho symbols either until now ! But when I purchased them at New England Coin Shows long ago they were for consolation purposes Since no Romans were available on my meager budget Lucky me ! What would a poor boy do today without ebay ?   67.28 grams 41-2mm and 35.48 grams 36mm
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New Member
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wow, this is rather puzzling, what is that chi-rho doing on that coin that long ago? how can that be?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If you want a real puzzle try pondering this coin https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces66913.htmlOver one hundred years ago numismatists dated this denarius as being issued the month before the assasination of Julius Caesar (ie February) The reverse attribution identifies it as the Roman dictator Sulla awaking from a dream But does it really ? The goddess descending is obviously Luna by the crescent veil she holds Luna is a goddess associated with the spirit world since Romans believed the dead exist as mere shadows in the darkness which vanish by the light of dawn The winged Victory seems to be waving a palm branch over the reclining figure (magic wand ?) who is arising from what appears to be a bed of sticks (funeral pyre ?) Some imaginative scholars think that the coin does not predate the assasination but is actually from the same month of March famous for the Ides So the arising figure would not be the dictator Sulla but actually the dictator Caesar rising ? A resurrection scene ? If you really want to go deep look at the earring on the obverse portrait of Venus What do you see ? Strange
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Pillar of the Community
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chi rho is only an abbreviation of the Greek word : ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ χρis found on many coins , before and after BC and is also found in papyri ; like our asterisk now .albert
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New Member
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@ antwerpen2306 fascinating! so the chi-rhos before Constantine simply abbreviated another word?
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New Member
 Romania
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@ Albert, Rufus and all The chi rho subject is really intriguing me. You have a lot more experience on the matter, so I am daring to ask you if you know any other instances in which the symbol has appeared before Constantine the great. I know one on a Decius coin: https://www.mfa.org/collections/obj...ianus-267840
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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As Sigmund Freud (probably never) said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar". Sometimes an XP monogram is just an XP monogram. There are an awful lot of Greek monograms on various coins and only so many letters in the alphabet. Context is critical.
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New Member
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@Kushanshah :) may well be what do you think about this reverse? Is it a cross or an X? 
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@CC, we have discussed this subject several times in the past. If you use the search box in the upper left hand corner of your screen and the keywords CHI RHO, you will see several, of which one of these is an early one and one is from this past June: http://goccf.com/t/109793http://goccf.com/t/318092
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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