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2017-P Shield Series Penny- What Do You Think?

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 Posted 09/06/2018  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list
Plate disturbance doubling, not a doubled die.
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 Posted 09/06/2018  12:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list

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I thought the "single squeeze processes" was how the "dies" were made not the coins.Coins for circulation are pressed a single time.
John1


I stand corrected, yes that is the process instead of a double stamp like a proof or the adding of different hubbing dies. What I was referring to is the looseness that happens upon a strike, does make a racket. But with PDD, this is a machine VIBRATION, that if the plating is improperly applied is a bit loose, this is the reaction.
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 Posted 09/06/2018  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Why was the 'P' mint mark on one year?
2017-P-Shield-Series-Penny--What-Do-You-Think?
(I posted this before on a different thread, but not sure if anyone saw it or not?
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 Posted 09/07/2018  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
2017-P-Shield-Series-Penny--What-Do-You-Think?
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 Posted 09/07/2018  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list

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Don't confuse with MD or Die Deterioration either


E/V , where does your SDD article fit in on this topic?
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09/07/2018 12:59 pm
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 Posted 09/07/2018  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
There's bad Die Deterioration going on. If you look at the top of TRUST", you can see some Die Deterioration setting in, so it does fit in. It's also Late Die State issue. My main reason for posting that picture Chase is to explain Die Deterioration, so that it's easier to understand.
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09/07/2018 1:15 pm
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 Posted 09/07/2018  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list

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There's bad Die Deterioration going on


Are you disputing Crazybo's statement?
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 Posted 09/07/2018  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
No Chase, I'm not disputing Crazyb0's statement. What makes you think that? To be clear, this isn't a dispute. I just wanted to to add some information on this thread about Die Deterioration.
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09/07/2018 2:45 pm
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 Posted 09/07/2018  4:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list
Hey Guys,
I'm getting confused here.
Trying to learn here exactly what Die Deterioration is,
but I can't see anything on the coin that looks like the
Die Deterioration photo supplied. What am I missing?


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 Posted 09/07/2018  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
Die Deterioration (die wear) is caused by the die getting worn from striking coins. As the die continuously strike coins, the die will slowly begin to break down, and the design will get weaker with every strike. We will often categorize the different die states, to describe what state the die was in. They're Early Die State, Mid Die State, Late Die State, and the last one would be Very Late Die State.

The OP's coin is starting to show heavy die flow lines on the top of "TRUST", stretching of the letter on "TRUST" (starting to slowly merge to the rim), and the details are starting to get mushy.
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09/07/2018 5:32 pm
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 Posted 09/07/2018  5:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list

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Hey Guys,
I'm getting confused here.
Trying to learn here exactly what Die Deterioration is,
but I can't see anything on the coin that looks like the
Die Deterioration photo supplied. What am I missing?


I totally agree with you, there is none! Crazyb0 had already described it correctly.
We always need to be careful with our opinions and findings ,when an expert speaks. we listen!
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 Posted 09/07/2018  11:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
As others have said, the word TRUST is distorted by Die Deterioration. You can clearly see the formation of a " Ridge Ring" just inside the design rim. Plating disturbance doubling can have a similar appearance, but it can occur in the absence of Die Deterioration and can be significantly more offset.
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 Posted 09/08/2018  09:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list
e & v-
Thanks for the detailed explanation.
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 Posted 09/08/2018  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CylentOne to your friends list
Yes, thank you all! I'm starting to see what may be a good coin compared to the ones that are just slightly off.

I'll keep on searching.
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 Posted 09/08/2018  09:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
You're welcome JimmyD. I made it easier to understand, so it wouldn't be as confusing.
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