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When comparing coins, you need to use the same date mint and grade. John1  |
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Well I have the same date and same mint comparison right there, but I have no idea what their grades are. But does it really take grading to see that the underside of his chin is missing, the far side of his tie and jacket lapel are missing, his shoulder humps out, the back of his neck is missing, and the back of his jacket and shirt collars have a completely different design?
If anything, the other 1992 P in the picture is clearly a worse grade, so it should be the one with more lost features due to wear.
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If anyone wants to do that image overlay thing, I would definitely appreciate it. I don't know how, have an old mac computer and probably not the software.
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It is caused by a overly polished die. I've seen a few where Lincoln's neck and parts of his coat were completely polished away. Same thing that causes the "floating roof" LMCs.
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11/07/2018 11:18 am
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On the coin in question,what does the reverse look like? John1 |
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Just PMed Mike. John1 |
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That area is part of the target area that would be polished. away, making the neck thinner because of the fields being reduced.  |
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As others have said, Lincoln's emaciated appearance is due to overzealous intentional die abrasion.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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Ahhh. Okay that makes sense. Coop thank you SO MUCH for putting the time into that graphic. So this is a case of restoration gone wrong, like the more the fixer fixed, the more he had to fix, until he practically redesigned the whole bust. HA!!--Reminds me of:  |
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So, some more thoughts and images. First, John you asked fro the reverse so here it is. Shame about the spot on the steps; I don't know what that is but I'm not trying to clean it.  Next, Skinny Abe taken from a slight angle so you can see how dramatic the "redesign" of his shirt and jacket collar is.  Here's where it looks like the artist decided not to mess with the clash too much: the shoulder sleeve creases. This would make sense. I'm an amateur artist and one thing I know is how forgiving fabric is (also hair curls by the way). You can put them anywhere and the viewer's eye will "believe" it, as long as it's not too wackadoodle. (On the left is 'normal Abe,' and on the right is 'skinny Abe').  And finally, I did play around with features I haven't tried before on my lousy image software, and found this pencil sketch effect. The removal of color and simplified lines shows the differences nicely I think.  |
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I had to get a different coin for the side by side. You had a 1992 and a 1990. You should always use the same date of coins to compare with. (small and large dates on some years can be a factor) IE:   Note that the date is not the only thing different on this year. The bust is smaller, All the devices are smaller. Seeing them side by side helps up to see the differences. |
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Oh. I did have photos of it compared to another 1992 P (that's the bright red one), but I also compared it to a 1990 P to be able to see the feature comparisons clearly, because the 1990 is similarly colored. That red 92 is so shiny it was confusing. You can see in the 'pencil sketch' that all the shine and color is removed, making for an easier comparison of same-date, same-mint. Again here that is:  |
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TY in LIBERTY was all I needed to see to tell that this was an overpolished die issue. Notice how it gets skinnier?
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Coop, bit of an old post here,but I am intensely curious on how you can tell that the "skinny Abe" is from a different master die than the other 1992. Great skill for me to learn!
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