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Coronet Head Large Cent - Reverse Struck On Both Sides?

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 Posted 01/13/2019  11:49 am  Show Profile   Check walkingjim's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add walkingjim to your friends list
Here are better pictures. Orientation is medallic.
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 Posted 01/13/2019  1:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mark1959 to your friends list
On your first set of pictures the backwards side details look incuse but on your new pictures it looks like the details are raised.
Can you let us know which is correct?
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 Posted 01/13/2019  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Check walkingjim's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add walkingjim to your friends list
It is incuse.
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 Posted 01/13/2019  4:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list
This is not in my area of expertise, but from what I can observe, I am leaning towards a full brockage coin.
If it was a vise job, there would be some trace of the Obverse showing in the fields. By looking at the second
photo, I see none showing.

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 Posted 01/14/2019  08:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
I think it is a full brockage. I see no trace of an obverse, both sides are from the same variety, one side raised and one side incuse, alignment looks right and the images are medallic in orientation. Everything fits. Too bad it has been buried at some point corroding the surfaces.
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 Posted 01/14/2019  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
to the CCF! Cool first post here, WalkingJim!


IMHO, Conder's correct, as usual. These early brockages are quite rare, but naturally, the serious environmental damage much diminishes its value.

If this was mine, I'd have it authenticated as a brockage (preferably by SEGS or NGC) but NOT graded (this, to lessen fees). Just my take ....
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 Posted 01/14/2019  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Check walkingjim's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add walkingjim to your friends list
Thanks to all for your input & knowledge, definitely learned something. ExoGuy, that's good advice regarding grading, thanks.
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 Posted 01/14/2019  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
Thanks, WalkingJim. Let us know how the certification goes. I'm betting genuine!
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 Posted 01/15/2019  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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I'd have it authenticated as a brockage (preferably by SEGS or NGC) but NOT graded (this, to lessen fees).

To the best of my knowledge authentication and grading are the same price. There is no fee saving.
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 Posted 01/15/2019  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Quite an unusual thing for sure. Tell us how you came to own it!
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 Posted 01/15/2019  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list

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To the best of my knowledge authentication and grading are the same price. There is no fee saving.


I could be wrong. I use SEGS, and there may be a higher fee for grading/attribution. That said, the main reason I shun grading on pieces like this is to avoid the unkind adjectives like "corroded" or "environmental damage"; this, even though the descriptions are self-evident.
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 Posted 01/16/2019  03:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list
enlightening thread
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 Posted 01/16/2019  2:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
OK it is possible that SEGS might have two different prices, NGC does not.

Checked the SEGS website, I don't see an authentication only service, but they do have a "pre-Screen" service that would seem to fit, where they examine and grade but do not slab. I would assume authentication would be part of the examination. (Oddly after the pre-screen you can have them go ahead and put it in a slab for an additional fee. The additional fee plus the pre-screen fee does add up to less than just submitting the coin for grading and slabbing.)
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 Posted 01/16/2019  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
Thanks for the clarification, Conder. Many of the coins that I submit to SEGS are what average collectors view as problem pieces, damaged. High grade coins, I send to PCGS, of course.

Here's an example of a coin I submitted to SEGS. Even though the coin is a relatively scarce variety, it's the counterstamp that I find important. J.J. OUTLEY was a daguerreian, a.k.a. ARTIST, who was active in St. Louis in the 1850's. Fewer than ten of his counterstamped coins have been recorded.

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Note that I simply had the counterstamp and the "Huge O" variety noted. These aspects are what's important for this piece. If this coin was in Mint State, the counterstamp would be a major detractor.

Getting back to our OP's coin, the date and likely the variety are insignificant. The "money shot" is that it's a rare error. The condition is self-evident. With pieces like this, I think it important to accentuate the positive aspects, that which make them rare and desirable to collectors who seek a particular genre. After all, how many collectors will ever own a brockage large cent in any condition?

P.S. - I appreciate the SEGS holders above all others. I find them to be the most durable and scratch resistant. Also, they're relatively inexpensive and boast a "top read" label.
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 Posted 01/17/2019  2:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Found a similar piece to the OP coin in the Dan Holmes III sale. It's rough as well but not quite as rough as the OP coin This one sold for $978
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